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Old 01-12-2009
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Re: Germany offers Obama deeper partnership

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I have trouble seeing this as anything but political posturing on the part of Steinmeier. Naturally, he will want to appear close to Obama in the hopes that some of his fame will rub off and result in a few more votes for the SPD.
Nailed it.
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Steinmeier would definitely be a far better chancellor than Merkel will ever be.
Im not sure wether this is true. Merkel didn't truly have her chance yet. No chancelor of a great coalition can expect to move anything in this political "system".
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Re: Germany offers Obama deeper partnership

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Contrary to our travelling aunty Merkel.
Her favorite stance in politics is - as was Kohl´s - do nothing and you can´t get blamed for anything.
All she has achieved so far is to outspend the costs for flights of Kohl and Schroeder combined ( 23 years ) in a mere three years.
In all other matters:
No sucess.
Not really that surprising, considering the nature of the government she is leading.

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Steinmeier would definitely be a far better chancellor than Merkel will ever be.
Personally, I doubt that. IMO, Steinmeier is 'running' simply because the SPD doesn't have anyone else with a big enough name that hasn't been tainted.
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Old 01-13-2009
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Re: Germany offers Obama deeper partnership

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Im not sure wether this is true. Merkel didn't truly have her chance yet. No chancelor of a great coalition can expect to move anything in this political "system".
Agreed. That is why I am hoping a repeat of the CDU/SPD coalition doesn't happen again. I think I will be dissapointed though.
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Old 01-18-2009
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In a letter to president- elect Obama german foreign minister and social democratic challenger to chancellor Merkel this year , Frank- Walter Steinmeier, offers a "new dimension" in transatlantic cooperation and also promises that Germany will seriously step up its efforts to help create a new and stable Iraq. Since Steinmeiers political mentor was Gerhard Schröder and the incumbent foreign minister one of his chief advisers the official Washington seems to hope for Merkel victory in September though.

Germany Offers Obama Deeper Partnership: 'The US and Europe Standing Shoulder to Shoulder' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
Seriously .... any foreign minister would have sent a similar letter to any new American President ... not matter if it was Barack Obama, John McCain, Rob Zombie or whoever else.

But anyway .... Obama has a lot of credit overseas. I hope he makes good use of that. It's a unique opportunity.
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Old 01-21-2009
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Im not sure wether this is true. Merkel didn't truly have her chance yet. No chancelor of a great coalition can expect to move anything in this political "system".

This is where you err.

Merkel had tons of chances to profile herself and she missed every single one of them.

Not without reason is she known in EVERY Euro-country as Madame NO.

At best she could be described as a waster of money and time.

But then again, she´s the best the conservatives here have to offer at present. Compared to Adenauers times they have degenerated tremendously.
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Re: Germany offers Obama deeper partnership

"Der Spiegel" sees it similarly, Merkel the " queen of undesired compromise"


Opinion: Angela Merkel, Queen of Undesired Compromise - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
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Seriously .... any foreign minister would have sent a similar letter to any new American President ... not matter if it was Barack Obama, John McCain, Rob Zombie or whoever else.
Yeah but what worries me is that he is willing to increase co-operation now. Why, 5 years into the war? I mean does he think that because Obama has come in more countries need to subsidise the efforts because they predict he'll be such a disaster? Or does he want to get in because he thinks the times in Iraq are muh easier now?

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But anyway .... Obama has a lot of credit overseas. I hope he makes good use of that. It's a unique opportunity.
Bush had a lot of good credit after 9/11 round the world and used it brilliantly, you just didn't appreciate it...
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... Bush had a lot of good credit after 9/11 round the world and used it brilliantly ...
That's a joke, isn't it? Do you really think so?
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Re: Germany offers Obama deeper partnership

Nothing new...empty hooplah and postering.
The proof, they say, is in the pudding...let's readdress this subject a couple years from now.
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That's a joke, isn't it? Do you really think so?
Of course, he was brilliant in his response to 9/11. Inspirational.

(Don't turn this thread into how Austrians/Slarti and others are all Nazis).
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This is where you err.

Merkel had tons of chances to profile herself and she missed every single one of them.

Not without reason is she known in EVERY Euro-country as Madame NO.

At best she could be described as a waster of money and time.

But then again, she´s the best the conservatives here have to offer at present. Compared to Adenauers times they have degenerated tremendously.
Sorry for my late reply, I spent my vacation at my mother's place where I can't access the web.

I must admit that I don't watch german politics closely anymore (too frustrating), which chances did Merkel miss in your eyes? Do you mean the european versions of the bail-out? I totally oppose that, btw, so I was glad to hear she refused further measures.

Sadly, with the election coming Merkel "changed her mind" by my now.
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Re: Germany offers Obama deeper partnership

Merkel warns U.S. over auto bailout - CNN.com
'Merkel warns U.S. over auto bailout'

If Obama will keep giving money to the fail companies wich is obviously pissing others off somehow i doubt you will see a stronger partnership.....
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Old 01-30-2009
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Re: Germany offers Obama deeper partnership

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Sorry for my late reply, I spent my vacation at my mother's place where I can't access the web.

I must admit that I don't watch german politics closely anymore (too frustrating), which chances did Merkel miss in your eyes? Do you mean the european versions of the bail-out? I totally oppose that, btw, so I was glad to hear she refused further measures.

Sadly, with the election coming Merkel "changed her mind" by my now.
Dear Angie hasn´t done anything at all.
She left all decisions to her ministers.

Whenever she DID utter something it had been demanded the day before by "Bild"

Going about her favorite pastime, flying, she has attended more than eighty conferences and whatever she proposed - if anything - just didn´t come off.

She´s like a bubblegum vendor going out with 200 strips and coming home with 210. And then tries to tell her family business was excellent.

I wouldn´t mind if there was only one single occasion, where she actually proposed something valuable and others would agree to that.
But there is absolutely nothing.

Except bills for unnecessary flights.
HartzIV would be the appropriate pay for her.

All this Government has done is to implement precisely what Schroeder started.
with the sole exception of the ultra-right-wing Schaeuble.
That nut case is always good for some brilliant piece of s**t.

If the FDP with their faggot were in this coalition Schaeubles Phone surveillance for all and sundry plus PC-surveillance would be through.

But wait, we have elections this year. And all the sheeple will vote again for what they do not want.
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Merkel warns U.S. over auto bailout - CNN.com
'Merkel warns U.S. over auto bailout'

If Obama will keep giving money to the fail companies wich is obviously pissing others off somehow i doubt you will see a stronger partnership.....
See my post above.
Another worthless comment by our travelling auntie.

Or do you suppose Obama will take her "advice" for his politics ?

I bet he´d rather listen to Mickey Mouse than Missis Merkel.

And btw it´s bloody cheek for her to give advice to others when she has no clue as to what to do in her own country.
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