I guess I assumed, since I had seen reference to Israel's "stolen land" etc. in another thread. Sorry about that, let me rephrase the question.

In a perfect world, what would you consider the ideal outcome concerning Israel and "Palestinians"?

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Simple.
Follow international law.
While it is possible to claim the existence of Israel is legtimate since the 1948 UN partition resolution, even though it violates the Treaty of San Remo, there are a number of areas where Israel is in violation.

First is the right of return.
Since 1947 the Zionists have been illegally driving Arabs off their land and out of the areas desired by Zionists.
International law requires they be allowed to return to their land and homes.
But instead they have been illegally forced to sit in concentration camps.

Second is the illegally occupied land.
Jerusalem is not part of Israel in the 1948 partition.
In fact Gaza is supposed to be over twice the size it is now.
There is no legal basis at all for Israel to continue to occupy this land that is not part of the 1948 partition given to Israel.

Third is the illegal settlements in the West Bank.
Even if one accept the 1967 borders, these continuing encroachments are simply impossible, because they have no security purpose, and only serve to prove that Israel has designs on all of the Palestinian land.

Israel is not really legitimate, because the Treaty of San Remo after WWI, was to establish independence for Arabs who had had been promised in exchange for help against the Ottoman Empire.
The Churchill Whitepaper of 1922 clearly stated there could never be an independent Jewish state, but only a Jewish homeland within the Arab state of Palestine.

The UN did not have authority to create Israel in 1948, because these treaties were pre-existing and of greater authority.

Nor does the UN have the authority to tranfer private property.
And the Zionist has only actually paid for and owned less then 5% of what is now Israel.
Israel then is based on the illegal occupation of land owned by Arabs, and the illegal prevention of them being allowed access to their own lands and homes.

That is why Israel actually is illegitimate.
Europe and the US feeling guilt over the Holocaust is not legal justification for transporting millions of Jews to Palestine, and illegally giving Arab land to them. The native Jewish population was less then 30,000, and are Hasidic anti-Zionist Jews.

Maat,
Thanks for the history lesson, but could you please just gimme the bottom line of what you would like to see happen in what is currently Israel? And, is relevane what should happen to the Jewish people?

Could you also provide a short historical narrative about the, "Arab State of Palestine"?

Thanks.

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Sorry,
Stupid blackberry doesn't work with VB edit post interface.

Above should read: And, if relevant, what should happen to the Jewish people?

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I don't really care what happens to Israel. They can continue slaughtering Palestinians while Palestinians slaughter them. I just want the US to stop giving them free money. You see, I am against global communism/socialism.

Gee, how very humanitarian of you.

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And what about you? Are you some sort of huge liberal socialist in favor of giving welfare to our poor?

I guess the Arab peace initiative of 2002 ( which also the Obama administration have made a cornerstone of their Near East policy) points in the right direction.
Israel honoring its commitments from several international treaties that it signed in Oslo and afterwards ( for example removal of the settlements) and the arab states in return taking steps towards normalisation of relations. As there would be peace treaties, official recognition of Israel, security guarantees and exchange of ambassadors.
If Netanyahu would be genuinely interested in peace he could formulate an israeli answer to the offer that is on the table, and enter into negotiations without preconditions.
As to demands from the palestinian side these would have to include recognition of Israel in the borders prior to 1967, crackdown on terror infrastructure and fight against the unbelievable corruption inside the PA ( for example).

You know, I really wouldn't have a problem with any of that if I thought there was any chance of it working.

What has happened every time Israel has ceded land to the so called Palestinians?

And you know Hamas....er Palestinians, will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, recognize Israel's right to exist, right?

I hate when reality gets in the way of a perfectly good plan. Seriously.

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The right of return being protected for all Arabs who were forced to leave under threat of violence, in 1947-1951.

That includes their right to vote.

And if these millions of Palestinians vote to leave things as they are, I will not have any reason to say anything about it.

The Palestinians have always been there as a cultural identity, but under the rule of someone else, like the Romans, Alexander, Ottoman Empire, etc.
So their history as a state is limited to the British Mandate for Palestine, as established by the Treaty of San Remo.

Israel has only "ceded" small areas that it could not defend or did not want.
Israel still illegally occupied huge portions of land the UN gave to Palestine, not Israel.

And why should the Palestinians ever recognize Israel's right to exist?
It was an arbitrary edict by the UN, that will always be controversial.
The fact many will always disagree that the UN had that authority, is not relevant to the situation.
For example, Japan and Russia disagree on their borders as well.
That does not mean they can't establish peaceful relations.
Even during war, both sides can still negotiate things.
Israel is wrong to insiste that Palestine give up their rights and beliefs before they will negotiate with the Palestinians.

Peaceful relations?

There are few examples when Isreal has not withdrawn without unilaterally declaring which bits itll keep and still firing across its new self-proclaimed border.

Anyway Countryboy, please stop pretending to be ignorant, we both kow that the palestinians have already recognised isreal. What they wont do is recognise it as a Jewish state, because its got alot of Arabs still in it. Problem?

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Guess who?

Hmmmmm, interesting.
Hmmmmm, if Palestinians are only a cultural identity, where is Palestine located again? Hmmmmm, interesting.

Ahhh yes, those dastardly Jews, always assailing the poor innocent "Palestinians". Who only wish is to peacefully coexist with the Jewish people. And who also seem to have an inexhaustible supply of rocks.

Well, there is that little thing about wanting to kill all the Jews and wipe them off the face of the earth.

You guys still haven't answered the question of what you think should happen to the Jewish people once "Palestine" is a sovereign nation.

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