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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

It looks like the Right wing staged a coup, to prevent a non binding referendum from being held on whether the people of Honduras want a new constitution.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

I see Goober didn't read or couldn't understand the article along with Rude Boy.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

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It looks like the Right wing staged a coup, to prevent a non binding referendum from being held on whether the people of Honduras want a new constitution.
Hate to disagree with you, but it doesn't look like that at all.

That president is a loon.
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It looks like the Right wing staged a coup, to prevent a non binding referendum from being held on whether the people of Honduras want a new constitution.
Except even members of his own party opposed him because the sole purpose was to empower the executive, or in other words, him.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

The elected Honduran Congress have voted to strip Zelaya of his office and elected an interim president.

Honduran Congress names provisional president - CNN.com

The referendum Zelaya wanted to hold was contrary to Honduran law according to their Supreme Court.

And as should surprise nobody, Venezuelan assclown Hugo Chavez is claiming this is a "coup" staged by the US.

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I didn't click on the link but I did read another story on Reuters about this. Looks like the infamous "School of Americas" is behind this.
Indeed.
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Try actually reading the link, rather than making unsupportable knee-jerk statements.
Actually, the general who orchestrated the coup did, in fact, attend the School of the Americas.
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I see Goober didn't read or couldn't understand the article along with Rude Boy.
No, you see that Goober has more sources of news than links from USpoliticsonline.com.
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Indeed.


Actually, the general who orchestrated the coup did, in fact, attend the School of the Americas.
Well, fuck. I guess that slams the door shut on this one.
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Actually, the general who orchestrated the coup did, in fact, attend the School of the Americas.
Yep, as I said, no matter how Matt Larson wants to escape that fact.
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Actually, the general who orchestrated the coup did, in fact, attend the School of the Americas.
What about the members of the Honduran Supreme Court who declared "El Presidente's" stunt unconstitutional, and then declared the firing of said General for refusing to carry out said unconstitutional referendum unconstitutional, and ordered him reinstated, and then ordered "El Presidente" removed from office?
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What about the members of the Honduran Supreme Court who declared "El Presidente's" stunt unconstitutional, and then declared the firing of said General for refusing to carry out said unconstitutional referendum unconstitutional, and ordered him reinstated, and then ordered "El Presidente" removed from office?
As I said, I don't know what authority the Supreme Court of Honduras has in such matters.

Nor does it mean that it is ok for the military to step in.
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The current constitution is the 16th, and the product of compromise during a period of military government.
The president wanted to hold a non-binding referendum, on the question of whether the people of Honduras would like to create a new constitution. He fired a general for refusing to help with the referendum, I believe that a general who refuses to obey orders from the president can get fired here too. In Honduras the president is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.
The Supreme Court ordered him to reinstate the General, which seems to cross the constitutional separation of powers, and the army arrested and deported him.
Sounds like a coup to me, over the holding of a referendum to change the constitution, the referendum, scheduled for today did not happen.
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What about the members of the Honduran Supreme Court who declared "El Presidente's" stunt unconstitutional, and then declared the firing of said General for refusing to carry out said unconstitutional referendum unconstitutional, and ordered him reinstated, and then ordered "El Presidente" removed from office?
Where is it in the constitution of Honduras that the Supreme Court can remove the president?
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As I said, I don't know what authority the Supreme Court of Honduras has in such matters.
Then maybe you should be more worried about what they are saying and less about the army obeying the law instead of a cult of personality.
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Then maybe you should be more worried about what they are saying and less about the army obeying the law instead of a cult of personality.
Which law gives the military the authority to remove the president?
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