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Old 07-01-2009
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

Since when does the US care about democracy in Latin America?
Perhaps since we overthrew a democracy in Chile? Or when we overthrew one in Nicaragua? Or Argentina?
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Since when does the US care about democracy in Latin America?
Perhaps since we overthrew a democracy in Chile? Or when we overthrew one in Nicaragua? Or Argentina?
I agree Chile and Nicaragua but Argentina?
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I think you misunderstood my response. I was stating that I do not believe their constitution restricts term limits from being changed.
Ok, but I think it actually does say that. Which is an odd thing to write in, from our perspective.

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Title VII, with two chapters, outlines the process of amending the constitution and sets forth the principle of constitutional inviolability. The constitution may be amended by the National Congress after a two-thirds vote of all its members in two consecutive regular annual sessions. However, several constitutional provisions may not be amended. These consist of the amendment process itself, as well as provisions covering the form of government, national territory, and several articles covering the presidency, including term of office and prohibition from reelection.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

Ahhh, I see. I stand corrected.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

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Simply put he wanted to become another Dictator like his buddy Chavez, and Obama is right behind him all the way.
As with most simply put things, they are either insufficient in nuance, or blatantly incorrect.
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Since when does the US care about democracy in Latin America?
Perhaps since we overthrew a democracy in Chile? Or when we overthrew one in Nicaragua? Or Argentina?
Ostensibly Washington's reaction to the coup signals a departure from times past.
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I agree Chile and Nicaragua but Argentina?
We were best of buds with the Military dictatorship. I'm unaware of a roll that we had in the actual coup.
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I agree Chile and Nicaragua but Argentina?
I believe we sent Chicago School neo-liberals to that country ... not sure about a coup, though.
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Hmmm. Are you happy to stand by this flagrantly deceptive article?

Its lies give little credit to the view that Honduran coup was somehow reasonable and just.

Anyway, why hasnt anyone recgonised the new government?
decpetive?In what way? you have your opinion they and I have mine. They stated that they thought despite events, that sending zelaya out like that was not a smart move.

As for recognition, well chavez and ortega and the cabal of Chavezites are up in arms...wonder why? They have found a new love for democracy? AS far as the OAS goes, I thought they were a semi controlled american entity, at least thats what I heard when they spptted the Grenada invasion et al....

frankly it would have been better to impeach him, but even then I don't see him going quietly into the night, house arrest etc. might have been worse, who knows.
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Well, heres the latest. Zelaya is flying around pretending hes still President. The world is treating him like President in exile. The OAS said theyre kicking Honduras out of the OAS unless they let him back in. And the new Honduras govt is making themselves look bad by restricting freedom. Still not clear what the general opinion of the people is. Plenty on both sides it seems.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

Everything I read seems to paint the picture that the law is on the side of the new govt.
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Well, heres the latest. Zelaya is flying around pretending hes still President. The world is treating him like President in exile. The OAS said theyre kicking Honduras out of the OAS unless they let him back in. And the new Honduras govt is making themselves look bad by restricting freedom. Still not clear what the general opinion of the people is. Plenty on both sides it seems.
Looks like the era of the military coup might just be coming to an end after all.
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Everything I read seems to paint the picture that the law is on the side of the new govt.
I cannot find any provision in the CONSTITUCION POLITICA DE LA REPUBLICA DE HONDURAS that allows the courts to remove the President. But my Spanish is less than perfect. Could you help me out?

Honduras: Constitución de 1982
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decpetive?In what way? you have your opinion they and I have mine. They stated that they thought despite events, that sending zelaya out like that was not a smart move.

As for recognition, well chavez and ortega and the cabal of Chavezites are up in arms...wonder why? They have found a new love for democracy? AS far as the OAS goes, I thought they were a semi controlled american entity, at least thats what I heard when they spptted the Grenada invasion et al....

frankly it would have been better to impeach him, but even then I don't see him going quietly into the night, house arrest etc. might have been worse, who knows.
Oh just the whole bit about Chavez and others in the reason being somehow anti-democratic despite having contested and won numerous elections and accepted the results of those they didnt win. Just stuff like that.

Re recognition, Im just wondering why not only the OAS hasnt recognised but no one else either. Hmm?
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Oh just the whole bit about Chavez and others in the reason being somehow anti-democratic despite having contested and won numerous elections and accepted the results of those they didnt win. Just stuff like that.

Re recognition, Im just wondering why not only the OAS hasnt recognised but no one else either. Hmm?
being 'somehow' anti-democratic? okay then.
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Everything I read seems to paint the picture that the law is on the side of the new govt.
Dude that says everything about where you get your news.

Can you name one country that has recognized the "New Govt"?
The OAS, the EU, the UN are all talking about sanctions until Zelaya is returned as president.
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Everything I read seems to paint the picture that the law is on the side of the new govt.
From what I´ve read I understand, they should have impeached him first, then deposed and arrested him and put him in prison until a trial by the supreme court.
They did have no right though to deport him.

And it seems, that is the sole point of objection for many countries.

Found this at Spiegel-online, though only in the german version.
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