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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

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being 'somehow' anti-democratic? okay then.
Yes, despite, as I said having contested and won numerous elections and accepted the results of those they didnt win. Just stuff like that.

Dont get that?.............. ok then
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From what I´ve read I understand, they should have impeached him first, then deposed and arrested him and put him in prison until a trial by the supreme court.
They did have no right though to deport him.

And it seems, that is the sole point of objection for many countries.

Found this at Spiegel-online, though only in the german version.
I agree with that.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

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Dude that says everything about where you get your news.

Can you name one country that has recognized the "New Govt"?
The OAS, the EU, the UN are all talking about sanctions until Zelaya is returned as president.
So there will be sanctions ?
If they can implement them before January ok.

But they will not be justified after January as by then he would be no longer president anyway and a demand to reinstall him then would be against international law.

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I tried to follow several links to articles and the honduran constitution regarding necessary moves to depose a president.
Eleven links in all and, rather disturbing to my mind, all these links are either blocked or removed.

Now I´d be interested to know as to who is quite obviously tryeing to hide or supress whatever info here.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

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So there will be sanctions ?
If they can implement them before January ok.

But they will not be justified after January as by then he would be no longer president anyway and a demand to reinstall him then would be against international law.

Addition:
I tried to follow several links to articles and the honduran constitution regarding necessary moves to depose a president.
Eleven links in all and, rather disturbing to my mind, all these links are either blocked or removed.


Now I´d be interested to know as to who is quite obviously tryeing to hide or supress whatever info here.
I obviously don't know what links you tried, but those that I have used are working without a hitch.

Honduras - THE CONSTITUTION

Constitucin de Honduras, 1982

Honduras: Constitución de 1982
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

well heres an article that speaks to a provision to wit;


According to Article 239: "No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform [emphasis added], as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."

A 'coup' in Honduras? Nonsense. | csmonitor.com
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from a chinese news source, I googled the title; 'Honduran interim gov't announces to quit OAS', and so far they all point back to this source....They may be reading too much into the statement, but with the OAS allowance of say Cuba for instance as a member etc. I am not sure just how balanced the OAS is or has been regards this whole event.


Honduran interim gov't announces to quit OAS

TEGUCIGALPA, July 3 (Xinhua) -- Honduras' interim government announced Friday that the country decided to quit from the Organization of American States (OAS).

In a letter to the OAS read by Honduras' Vice Minister of International Relations Martha Lorena de Casco, it said "This government believes that inside the organization (of the OAS), there is no room for Honduras, for the states that love its freedom and defend its sovereignty."

The reading of the letter was made in presence of Honduran Acting President Roberto Micheletti.

Honduras will face freezing of loans from Central American Bank of Economic Integration (CABEI), while other international help and donations can be suspended.

The interim government's announcement came after OAS chief Jose Miguel Insulza said in Tegucigalpa Friday that he would recommend the suspension of Honduras from the regional group due to its post-coup rulers' refusal to reinstate ousted President Manuel Zelaya.

Honduran interim gov't announces to quit OAS_English_Xinhua
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Sure Cuba is a member, but so is Colombia and the US of A.
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from a chinese news source, I googled the title; 'Honduran interim gov't announces to quit OAS', and so far they all point back to this source....They may be reading too much into the statement, but with the OAS allowance of say Cuba for instance as a member etc. I am not sure just how balanced the OAS is or has been regards this whole event.


Honduran interim gov't announces to quit OAS

TEGUCIGALPA, July 3 (Xinhua) -- Honduras' interim government announced Friday that the country decided to quit from the Organization of American States (OAS).

In a letter to the OAS read by Honduras' Vice Minister of International Relations Martha Lorena de Casco, it said "This government believes that inside the organization (of the OAS), there is no room for Honduras, for the states that love its freedom and defend its sovereignty."

The reading of the letter was made in presence of Honduran Acting President Roberto Micheletti.

Honduras will face freezing of loans from Central American Bank of Economic Integration (CABEI), while other international help and donations can be suspended.

The interim government's announcement came after OAS chief Jose Miguel Insulza said in Tegucigalpa Friday that he would recommend the suspension of Honduras from the regional group due to its post-coup rulers' refusal to reinstate ousted President Manuel Zelaya.

Honduran interim gov't announces to quit OAS_English_Xinhua

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Sure Cuba is a member, but so is Colombia and the US of A.

Thanks Donkey. Care to respond Imp?
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Thanks Donkey. Care to respond Imp?
I would if there was something objectionable to respond too, I know who the members of the OAS are, care to do anything other than attempt to ride someone else's coattails in an infantile game of gotcha?
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In a democracy, bad leaders are voted out (and Zelaya was most definitely a lousy leader); not removed extralegally. There was certainly a legitimate separation of powers issue here, and Zelaya seems to have been overstepping his bounds in the sense that only Congress has the power to call referendums, but it should have been brought before a judge.

The irony of all this is that he was quite unpopular and almost certainly would have lost the referendum anyway.

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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

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In a democracy, bad leaders are voted out (and Zelaya was most definitely a lousy leader); not removed extralegally. There was certainly a legitimate separation of powers issue here, and Zelaya seems to have been overstepping his bounds in the sense that only Congress has the power to call referendums, but it should have been brought before a judge.

The irony of all this is that he was quite unpopular and almost certainly would have lost the referendum anyway.
It was brought before a judge. The Honduran Supreme Court ordered his actions unconstitutional.
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This is funny. THe OAS told Honduras to let Zelaya. Honduras said they would withdrawl from the OAS instead. The OAS said they couldnt withdraw because the OAS didnt recognize their govt. THen they kicked HOnduras out. You cant make up this stuff.

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The small country's new leaders had told the OAS that Honduras would pull out of the body rather than let Mr. Zelaya back in the presidential seat. In an odd turn of events, the OAS said on Saturday that Honduras couldn't withdraw because its provisional government wasn't recognized by the international community.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

Oh no, here comes the UN...
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TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras – Honduras' ousted President Manuel is getting on a flight to Tegucigalpa accompanied by the U.N. General Assembly president and a pack of journalists.
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wow. a grab for viability by Moon. They are just so brave when it comes to a tiny country is CA...what goofs.
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wow. a grab for viability by Moon. They are just so brave when it comes to a tiny country is CA...what goofs.
Youre not really the democratic sort in the end are you?

Anyway,

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"On the one instance, we're talking about conducting a survey, a non-binding survey; in the other instance, we're talking about the forcible removal of a president from a country," said a state department official on Sunday, speaking on conditions of anonymity.
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Echoing the condemnation by Latin American leaders, President Obama also said that "it would be a terrible precedent if we start moving backwards into the era in which we are seeing military coups as a means of political transition rather than democratic elections".
BBC NEWS | Americas | US treads careful path on Honduras

I suppose in the end, you guys on the right are always bitching about 'wheres the change?' in the Obama administration. So here it is, the US no longer supports military coups in South America.

Thats a big change we can all believe in....except for the Junta's American friends on this thread.
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