Here's the latest. Zelaya tried to land in Honduras, the military blocked the runway, and he had to turn around and land in nicarauga. Interestingly the UN general assembly president was on board. I dont think they understand who is in charge in Honduras.

And now we have some Nicaraugan military massing on the border. Looks like their may be a war. I bet Rahm Emanuel orchestrated all of this.

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-Thomas Jefferson

and again-

According to Article 239: "No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform [emphasis added], as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."

we can quibble over their action but Zelaya had clearly put himslef outside the law.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

I'm laughing at the UN right now and praising the Honduran gov. That was a masterful move on their part. Block the runway and they can't even land. Very well done. They did things as appropriately as possible, imo. Good for them for sticking up for their rights.

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I kinda wish they could just shoot the plane down when it entered honduran airspace, but that mightve provoked something.

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

They sure are doing their damndest to become an international pariah.

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Because going the way of Chavez is ace.

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Non sequiter.

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Point being that the international community needs to get their heads out of their arse. Honduras should be praised for protecting their democracy instead of being cowed by a bully wanna-be dictator.

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Turns out this was about a proposed referendum on having a NON-BINDING referendum tagged on to the ballot of the next election.
Thus there was no excuse for the Honduran military to intervene, regardless of the constitutional issues at stake.



Anyway, this time the worlds governments are standing by the democratically elected man. Which makes a change.

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Guess who?

Evidence to prove that is on relatively thin ground. It's true that Honduras showed a higher level of political tension than the Latin American average, but it was still nothing even remotely close to the intense and often violent polarization that exists in, say, Bolivia.

Even so, there were still ways to react other than bundling Zelaya out of the country. The Supreme Court may very well have been within their rights to issue his arrest warrant, but he then should have been brought before a judge and brought up on charges of criminal misconduct.

Source for that claim, please.

Generally speaking, it is no surprise that elected officials the world over are condemning this action. In far too many instances, those elected to power believe that they are somehow above the law. When challenged, they fall back on "the will of the people" as their justification.

In this country, far wiser men than any who serve today saw fit to give us a Constitution that is, by design, difficult to change. In Honduras, men, who in some aspects may have been just as wise as our Founding Fathers, gave that country a Constitution that, in regards to term limits for the president, apparently cannot be changed.

I am heartened that those Hondurans who saw a Chavez style power grab in the making thwarted the attempt for the good of the country. This was not a military coup, but rather it was a defense of the Honduran Constitution by the Supreme Court, the Congress, and by the military.

read this. its part of the honduran constitution and was posted earlier.


According to Article 239: "No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform [emphasis added], as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."
A 'coup' in Honduras? Nonsense. | csmonitor.com

Just a point of order; it doesn't matter that the referendum would have been non-binding. The simple fact of the matter is that he didn't have the legal authority to put forth such a referendum.

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it seems an argument could be made that the new government did just what it was supposed to with El Jefe.



Earlier this week I wrote about the root of the crisis in Honduras. Ever since then I've struggled to watch President Obama make some of the most offensive, ignorant statements I've heard in a long time. As a South American immigrant, I'm furious. Latin America has suffered enough from ill-advised American foreign policy meddling in their internal affairs. Although I'm not really surprised by the politics behind President Obama's statements, I am surprised by the quickness in which he made them and by the conviction behind them. The average viewer would conclude from Obama's tone of certitude that he knows, for a fact, that what happened was illegal and that this "coup" is nothing less than a direct attack on democracy.

The facts are to the contrary, and I would urge President Obama to read, as I have, the Honduran Constitution. I couldn't find a version in English but I did read the whole thing. Here's a list of provisions in the Honduran Constitution (emphasis added) that not only grants the Legislature/Supreme Court/Military the power to do what they did, but actually makes it illegal for them not to act as they have.

Title II, Chapter 3: (citizens)

Article 42: The legal rights of any citizen is lost:

5) If the citizen incites, promotes, or supports the continuance or the re-election of the President of the Republic;

Title II, Chapter 4: (executive power)

Article 238: In order to become the President of the Republic or designated to the Presidency, one must:

3) Be in possesion of a citizen's legal rights;

Article 239: A citizen who has previously held executive power can not be President or designated to the Presidency. Those that break this provision or propose reform of this provision, as well as those that help directly or indirectly, will immediately cease to hold and exercise the power of his/her post, and will be banned from holding any future public office for a period of ten years.

Article 244: If need be, the lawful duty of the President of the Republic, or of its substitute, will be presented to the President of the National Congress if in session, and if not to the President of the Supreme Court.

Article 272: The Armed Force of Honduras is a permanent National Institution, essentially professional, a-political, obedient, and undeliberate. It is constituted to defend the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic, to maintain the peace, public order, protect the Constitution, the principles of free suffrage, and the changeability of the President of the Republic.

Article 278: The orders that tie the powers of the President of the Republic to the Armed Forces, through its Chief, shall be followed and exercised.

Title VII, Chapter 1: (constitutional reform)

Article 373: Constitutional reform can only be declared by the National Congress, in regular sessions, with a 2/3s vote of its members. The decree to be voted on will specify the article or articles to be reformed, and it must be concurred by the subsequent session of Congress by a 2/3s vote before it takes effect.

Article 374: It can not be reformed, under any circumstances, the previous article, this article, the Constitutional articles related to the form of government, the national territory, Presidential term-limits, the prohibition of a President to be re-elected, and the requirements and prohibitions on who can and can not be President.

Memo to President Obama: READ the Honduran Constitution | Red County

seems pretty above board. dude lost his rights as a citizen and was deported lol