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Old 06-28-2009
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Military Coup in Honduras

BBC NEWS | Americas | Honduran leader forced into exile

Developing story. Doesn't look pretty.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

Interesting. Apparently the Honduran Supreme Court ordered his removal after he decided to hold an unlawful referendum?

Of course, Ol Hugo's honking and blustering over this, and threatening military action of his own. Assclown.

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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

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Interesting. Apparently the Honduran Supreme Court ordered his removal after he decided to hold an unlawful referendum?

Of course, Ol Hugo's honking and blustering over this, and threatening military action of his own. Assclown.

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Yup. The president was basically stating he wouldn't recognize any processes or results unless they were done his way.

This may be a first in CA history: a justified military coup d'etat.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

If I were a national leader, I wouldn't admit to wearing pajamas.

Seems like typical class warrior looking for power....
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

....which is exactly why Clinton is condemning it.

There is no case of internal political differences being settled by force that is not incredibly dangerous, but if the jerk is not going to respect the Constitution or rule of law, what other option is there?
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Yup. The president was basically stating he wouldn't recognize any processes or results unless they were done his way.

This may be a first in CA history: a justified military coup d'etat.
I think you're jumping to conclusions. If I'm not mistaken, the congress was going to hold a vote on whether or not the president should be removed.

In my view this is just another example of the military in Latin America viewing itself as immune and above the political process. The military has a very specific set of interests and ideological goals. If they step in, it is because those interests are threatened. It has little to do with whether or not the President is doing something illegal.

It is entirely possible (even probable, given the circumstances), that the President was misbehaving. This in no way justifies a military coup.
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Of course, Ol Hugo's honking and blustering over this, and threatening military action of his own...
... if the Venezuelan ambassador was attacked.
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I think you're jumping to conclusions. If I'm not mistaken, the congress was going to hold a vote on whether or not the president should be removed.

In my view this is just another example of the military in Latin America viewing itself as immune and above the political process. The military has a very specific set of interests and ideological goals. If they step in, it is because those interests are threatened. It has little to do with whether or not the President is doing something illegal.

It is entirely possible (even probable, given the circumstances), that the President was misbehaving. This in no way justifies a military coup.
According to the article you linked, the Honduran Supreme Court ordered his removal.

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Later the Honduran Supreme Court said it had ordered the removal of the president, who had been due to leave office next January.
And the military isn't going to take control of the government:

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Honduran MPs are expected to appoint as acting head of state Congress President Roberto Micheletti, a member of Mr Zelaya's own party but an opponent of the deposed leader, reported Reuters news agency.
If the Court did order his removal, and was acting within it's authority (which I don't think we know about either way yet), it would seem to me there is no issue here.

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No doubt it is a mess. I have a hard time believing that the court has jurisdiction over the military. I am skeptical that they have the authority to order the president removed.
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Yup. The president was basically stating he wouldn't recognize any processes or results unless they were done his way.

This may be a first in CA history: a justified military coup d'etat.
I didn't see that. The article I read said he was trying to change the Constitution so as to allow him to run for office again. How is violent overthrow allowable when he's just trying to legally change the Constitution?
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I didn't see that. The article I read said he was trying to change the Constitution so as to allow him to run for office again. How is violent overthrow allowable when he's just trying to legally change the Constitution?
From a different article I read yesterday. If I can find it, I'll post it. Believe me, I'm not support of military overthrows, but this one seems richly deserved.
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I didn't see that. The article I read said he was trying to change the Constitution so as to allow him to run for office again. How is violent overthrow allowable when he's just trying to legally change the Constitution?
Read the article - his bid to change the constitution was ruled to be unlawful by the Honduran Supreme Court.

Besides, aren't you a big fan of exiling people? This should be making you giddy with envy....
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BBC NEWS | Americas | Honduran leader forced into exile

Developing story. Doesn't look pretty.
I didn't click on the link but I did read another story on Reuters about this. Looks like the infamous "School of Americas" is behind this.
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Re: Military Coup in Honduras

Try actually reading the link, rather than making unsupportable knee-jerk statements.
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I didn't click on the link but I did read another story on Reuters about this. Looks like the infamous "School of Americas" is behind this.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................

No, it doesn't.
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