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TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — Honduras's Supreme Court has rejected a Costa Rica-brokered deal that would have restored ousted President Manuel Zelaya to power and sternly warned that he faces arrest if he returns.

In a ruling late Saturday that fell in line with similar pronouncements by the military-backed regime, the high court said that Zelaya will not be allowed to return to power, and "cannot avoid having to submit to established procedures of the penal process" should he return to Honduras.

Zelaya was ousted from power in a June 28 military-backed coup and replaced with interim leader Roberto Micheletti.

The court decision also accused Zelaya of "crimes against the government, treason against the nation, abuse of power" and other misdeeds, as it affirmed the legitimacy of Micheletti's government.

AFP: Honduras high court threatens Zelaya with arrest
At least the Obama administration seems to have cooled it's interest in interfering with the Honduran judiciary's ouster of Zelaya.

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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

impasse. Its over or that is it should be. But, well, we'll see.
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I don't think that the US administration could add much constructively at the moment.
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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

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I don't think that the US administration could add much constructively at the moment.
It's none of our business anyway. The Honduran judiciary acted to stop Zelaya's unlawful conduct, aided by the Honduran military. The Honduran legislature supported the action, and named a successor.

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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

President Obama, Mrs. Clinton:

I love USA. I´m originally from Spain but I was lucky enough to live in the States (and to learn to know and love it) for almost 12 years. Simply: I love United States. Wherever I am I always explain my wonderful experience and always explian why we must support the strong USA ethic and international motivations.

Because of this reason, today I feel very bad, completey ¨dissapointed¨ with my beloved second country. How is possible that USA has left Honduras in Chavez-Zelaya marxist, dictatorship hands? What has happened, President Obama, with all those ideals of freedom that we (yes, we) have sustained for decades and decades?

USA knew perfectly well that Mr. Zelaya was trying to become another Castro, another Chavez, another leftish dictator. Because of this reason Zelaya tried hard to ¨jump over¨ the Constitution and, following the Constitution, he was put down from the Power. The same that it would have happened in the USA if some President would intent to jump over the Constitution to achieve dictatorship. In Honduras didn´t happen any ¨militar¨coup¨: no militars are now on the power. It´s only about a Constitution which was respected and a democratic people who don´t want another Chavez, another monster, ruling Honduras, their country.

It´s a shame what you, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, have done today against international freedom. Today, that long, treasured and so American tradition, which costed until now hundred of thousand of American lives has been betrayed from the White House, from the Presidency. Nobody can understand what have happened in USA.

What a sad day today for USA history. For our beloved country (yes, I feel it as my own country): an American President, voted by the American people, betrayed Freedom and put USA in Castro and Chavez direction. This is not the USA we love, we know, we admire. Shame on you, President Obama, Mrs. Clinton. USA deserved better behaviours, better patriots, better ¨leaders¨. Now, only remains one horrible question: ¿where are you positioned? ¿Who are you? ¿Where you will try to lead USA? ¿How many more injuries will you inflinge to the American History and the international Freedom?

What a sad day. And, I repeat, I´m not from Honduras, but USA and Freedom are completely in my soul. ¿Where are you leading USA?

Thanks for your attention.

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so we have pulled the plug omn aid etc. to to Honduras. I guess the surpeme court and legistature isn;'t legal enouhg for us. Thuis is extremly heavy handed cionsdetinf the bakc bediing we do to other nations etc. hiowm have issues etc. and even our own history in the CA & SA.

so we have pulled the plug on aid to Honduras. I guess the supreme court and legislature isn’t legal enough for us. This is an extremely heavy handed decision considering the back bending we do with other nation’s etc. whom have issues etc. and even our own history in the CA & SA.

So lets see, we are demanding that they violate their own constitutional authority & mechanisms, to return a man to power whom ignored their constitution, so as to allow himself to satisfy his personal ambition and abrogate the constitutional law extent. Great.



U.S. CUTS OFF AID TO HONDURAS

The Department of State announces the termination of a broad range of assistance to the government of Honduras as a result of the coup d'etat that took place on June 28. The Secretary already had suspended assistance shortly after the coup.

The Secretary of State has made the decision, consistent with U.S. legislation, recognizing the need for strong measures in light of the continued resistance to the adoption of the San Jose Accord by the de facto regime and continuing failure to restore democratic, constitutional rule to Honduras.

The Department of State recognizes the complicated nature of the actions which led to June 28 coup d'etat in which Honduras' democratically elected leader,

President Zelaya, was removed from office. These events involve complex factual and legal questions and the participation of both the legislative and judicial branches of government as well as the military.

Restoration of the terminated assistance will be predicated upon a return to democratic, constitutional governance in Honduras.

U.S. cuts off aid to Honduras - First Read - msnbc.com
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May their children forgive us.
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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

well it appears we are left as the sole banger of heads....unreal.


Meanwhile, the European Union announced it wouldn't initiate trade sanctions on Honduras as it had threatened earlier.

Thursday, the International Monetary Fund announced it would extend a $150 million loan to Honduras, a sharp shift from the lending cutoff announced by the World Bank after the June 28 ouster of Zelaya. Again, game over, back to business.

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Honduran Headache
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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

well, time for an update....

interesting to say the least;

"The Supreme Court of Honduras has constitutional and statutory authority to hear cases against the President of the Republic and many other high officers of the State, to adjudicate and enforce judgments, and to request the assistance of the public forces to enforce its rulings."

—Congressional Research Service, August 2009

Ever since Manuel Zelaya was removed from the Honduran presidency by that country's Supreme Court and Congress on June 28 for violations of the constitution, the Obama administration has insisted, without any legal basis, that the incident amounts to a "coup d'état" and must be reversed. President Obama has dealt harshly with Honduras, and Americans have been asked to trust their president's proclamations.

Now a report filed at the Library of Congress by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) provides what the administration has not offered, a serious legal review of the facts. "Available sources indicate that the judicial and legislative branches applied constitutional and statutory law in the case against President Zelaya in a manner that was judged by the Honduran authorities from both branches of the government to be in accordance with the Honduran legal system," writes CRS senior foreign law specialist Norma C. Gutierrez in her report.

Mary O’Grady: Hillary’s Honduras Obsession - WSJ.com

and now for the good part; how does the treatment we have meted out to the Honduran gov. square with this;


Granting a waiver for Nyan Win to visit Washington is a diplomatic coup for a regime that is continuing, as this is being written, a military offensive against ethnic groups that has already resulted in more than one million internally displaced refugees and tens of thousands more pouring over the border into China, Thailand, India and Bangladesh; more than 3,200 villages burned, and most heinous — the use of rape as an instrument of war against women. The regime is actively engaged in war crimes. This is in addition to the oppression of Burma’s democratic freedom fighters and the everyday killings and murders that are standard regime fare. If a Burmese official of comparable rank has visited Washington in the last 20 years, no one I talked to can remember it…

What is he doing here and with whom is he meeting?


Look to Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) for the answer to those questions.

On September 15 I reported on a closed-door meeting between Senator Webb and Secretary Clinton. Burma watchers raised eyebrows and speculated that Webb was making a last-ditch attempt at influencing the Burma policy review that State Department officials say should be released tomorrow by Clinton in New York City. Webb has been in the forefront of pressing the administration to engage with the regime and drop U.S. sanctions as part of a bizarre effort to check Chinese influence in that shattered country. Sources tell THE WEEKLY STANDARD that Webb enlisted Clinton’s help in obtaining a visa for Nyan Win during their meeting last week.


The Weekly Standard

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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

I think you need one more update : ( Ex) President Zelaya has been sneaking back into Honduras and took refugee in the brasilian embassy in the capital Tegucigalpa, where he promises not to go away. And the honduran regime is in a serious row with Brasil over their refusal to hand Zelaya over:


Ousted president Zelaya returns to Honduras - Yahoo! News
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thx, I heard that....
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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

Nice to see how the "democratic government" is treating the protesters.
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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

Interesting. Zelaya returns to the country like a thief in the night, then hides in a foreign embassy and proclaims himself the rightful leader of Honduras.

I am beginning to believe Zelaya wants bloodshed.

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Re: Honduran Supreme Court rejects Zelaya return deal

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I think you need one more update : ( Ex) President Zelaya has been sneaking back into Honduras and took refugee in the brasilian embassy in the capital Tegucigalpa, where he promises not to go away. And the honduran regime is in a serious row with Brasil over their refusal to hand Zelaya over:


Ousted president Zelaya returns to Honduras - Yahoo! News
If I were Hondurus I would recall govt officials from Brazil and revoke their status in Hondurus. They could take Zelaya with them. Brazil is effectively harboring a criminal.
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If I were Hondurus I would recall govt officials from Brazil and revoke their status in Hondurus. They could take Zelaya with them. Brazil is effectively harboring a criminal.


Then why didn´t they simply impeach him and try him instead of kicking him out of the country at night ?
As long as there has not been a trial, and Zelaya has not been convicted, it is hardly justified to call him a criminal, right ?
It would also be very unwise by Honduras to piss off Brasil, let alone break up relations. They might need them.
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