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... Another thing you do not seem to know is, that while most Nazi leaders of the Reich were either executed or imprisoned for a long time, those from the Sudeten were given jobs in Government, mostly in Bavaria. ...
Names?
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... I consider the Benes decrees simply atrocious.

But I can understand, that a people, who stood at the brink of extinction takes revenge on those who wanted to kill them off. ...
If you take for example a look at the border between Bavaria and Czechia you will see that this border is the most stable border in the history of whole Europe. You are just simple forgetting: history is not only 12 years from 1933-1945. I'm not able to understand the behavior of the Czechs and I'm not able to understand how today someone is able to defend such a murderous barbarism. Crimes are crimes. There are no "good crimes" made from Czechs and "bad crimes" made from Germans, there are no "good victims" and "bad victims" dependent on special ideologic views.

Vaclav Klaus tried to force the European Union to define crimes as human rights. That's the problem. If Verheugen - a man who is a shame for Germany - speaks about, that Bavarians are criminals because we helped the so called "Sudetendeutsche" - and if you are calling every Bavarian because of this a Nazi - then you should think about how criminal your mind is. Seems to me Verheugen and you would be much more happy if we had murdered all Sudentdeutsche instead to help them.
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... If you believe, it was right to kill Sadam and his helpers, if you consider the Taliban worth killing, if you are against the muslims in Darfur, then you just can not excuse the Sudetendeutsche. ...
You are hating "Sudetendeutsche" very much, isn't it? But why? By the way: This argument would be a boomerang - because the celts lived a long time in this area before the Czechs arrived there - and this celtic tribes were also ancestors of the Germans in this area.
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... One of our next door neighbors was a protestant pastn in Silesia.
I did like the family a lot.
One day, the Pastor seemed very upset about something, and he kept shouting:
You got to do everything yourself in this part of the land. At home at least we had the Czechs.
When I asked him, what he meant by that he said
Well, they had to do the "lower work" for us.
So, inquisitive a I was I asked if they had been so rich, they could employ peolple to work for them he replied:
They got their food and our old clothes, that was more than enough for what they did.

That sentence got stuck in my head.
Only years later did I realise, what he had meant by that.

So I asked the Pastors wife about their Czech servants. And she told me, that they got no pay, they were "given to them" by the government. She said:" They were so lazy, we had to have soldiers to get them to work at all." ...
I don't believe this story. A Pastor was in the Third Reich a completly unimportant person. Two days ago for example I heard from a catholic priest who said in public somethgin like "The Nazis are no allowing me to visit polish prisoners of war - that's no justice". The Nazis executed him.
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... Yet, when they came over, they were given four times as much in compensation as all other Nazi victims taken together.
They were given land, housing, food, anything they wanted, while the rest of us starved and lived in ruins.

And still they want more. ...
Let me say it in this words: If I try to imagine the time after World War II and all this very heavy existential problems I can see a little homeless boy - three or four years - in my mind. He carries a piece of coal in his hands - his Christmas present - and his eyes are full of tears. And I know: he wants more and he never will stop to want more.

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Names?
Link to a german site, a wake-up call for anybody understanding german.

DIE LINKE. Landesverband Bayern: Sudetendeutsche Landsmannschaft

Read the links I gave above and you´ll have the names.
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If you take for example a look at the border between Bavaria and Czechia you will see that this border is the most stable border in the history of whole Europe. You are just simple forgetting: history is not only 12 years from 1933-1945. I'm not able to understand the behavior of the Czechs and I'm not able to understand how today someone is able to defend such a murderous barbarism. Crimes are crimes. There are no "good crimes" made from Czechs and "bad crimes" made from Germans, there are no "good victims" and "bad victims" dependent on special ideologic views.

Vaclav Klaus tried to force the European Union to define crimes as human rights. That's the problem. If Verheugen - a man who is a shame for Germany - speaks about, that Bavarians are criminals because we helped the so called "Sudetendeutsche" - and if you are calling every Bavarian because of this a Nazi - then you should think about how criminal your mind is. Seems to me Verheugen and you would be much more happy if we had murdered all Sudentdeutsche instead to help them.
Except for Munich 1938, when Hitler forced Czechia with the help of France and Britain to hand over the....

Yes, the Sudetenland.
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You are hating "Sudetendeutsche" very much, isn't it? But why? By the way: This argument would be a boomerang - because the celts lived a long time in this area before the Czechs arrived there - and this celtic tribes were also ancestors of the Germans in this area.
First, stop splitting replies, it´s weak.

No, I don´t hate Sudetendeutsche.
I hate Nazis, what they did, still do and what they stand for.

The Landsmannschaften still demand the reinstitution of the borders forced by Hitler in 1938, so to my and any integer persons mind they stick to Nazi ideology and therefore are to be regarded as Nazis.

Thank God, the younger generation of the Sudeten is keeping mostly away from the Landsmannschaften, because they are fed up with Nazis too.

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I don't believe this story. A Pastor was in the Third Reich a completly unimportant person. Two days ago for example I heard from a catholic priest who said in public somethgin like "The Nazis are no allowing me to visit polish prisoners of war - that's no justice". The Nazis executed him.
Link to that if you please.
Or is that another one of your make-ups ?

In case you don´t know, Hitler was propagating the protestant church to weaken the mostly oppositional Catholic church.

And what you believe is no concern of mine. I am not making up stories like you do.

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Let me say it in this words: If I try to imagine the time after World War II and all this very heavy existential problems I can see a little homeless boy - three or four years - in my mind. He carries a piece of coal in his hands - his Christmas present - and his eyes are full of tears. And I know: he wants more and he never will stop to want more.
How moving.
Did he meet the girl with the matches ?

Machine translated statements of the Witiko Bund, the group that provided the leaders of the Landsmannschaften and to some extent still does.
Classified nazistic and extreme right wing by the BND.

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According to own statute statute the Wikitobund regards " the promotion and support of the entitled requests of the refugees and Vertriebenen" , " the compensation of driving out injustice on the basis of the Völkerrechts" as well as " Return of the konfiszierten property on the basis of a fair Ausgleichs" as its major tasks. [2] In opinion of critics the endorsement of a renewed affiliation of the Sudetenlandes belonging today to the Czech state shows itself by Germany in these demands. " Sudetenland is home in the Reich" to be gotten and the German borders of 1939 be restored. Besides is accused to the Witikobund to stir up foreigner hate approximately by the statement that " the Deutschen" " of a ' Millionenheer' people-strange Zuwanderer" are pressed, so the former chairman of the Wititobundes, refuge Rudolf evil field (Uebelacker). Also the Shoa is related or denied. Thus the following statement is in the Witikobrief of 1974: " To the most enormous stories lies the 6 million Juden" belong to the recent past;. [3
Link to the excerpt (german)

Witikobund ? Wikipedia

Some names:

Politicians of Sudeten in after-war germany, mainly Bavaria:

Seebohm
Hans Schütz
Walter Stain
Walter Becher
Frank Seiboth
Siegfried Zoglmann

all of them right wingers, apart from Seebohm all extreme.

Witikobund

Franz kormasin
Ernst Anrich
Konstantin Höß
Karl Krauss
Albert Smagon
Rudolf Staffen
Heinz Flöter
Rolf Kosick
Karl Bassler.

All right wing extremists, most in CSU, VdH, NPD, DNP.

Nice friends to have.
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Link to a german site, a wake-up call for anybody understanding german.

DIE LINKE. Landesverband Bayern: Sudetendeutsche Landsmannschaft

Read the links I gave above and you´ll have the names.
No serios source. "Die Linke" is the follower of the SED and the SED is a follower of the NSDAP. The structure in Nazi-Germany and the structure in former GDR was nearly the same. I don't care about german extremists from the left wing or from the right wing - they all are my enemies.
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Except for Munich 1938, when Hitler forced Czechia with the help of France and Britain to hand over the....

Yes, the Sudetenland.
This "answer" had absolutely nothing to do with my statement - but I'm convinced: With the knowledge of the year 1938 I had done the same decision in Munich independent from my nationality. Everyone who saw what happened in Czechoslovakia in this yerars after World War I was not able to ignore the problems of the crazy "solutions" of World War 1 anymore.
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No serios source. "Die Linke" is the follower of the SED and the SED is a follower of the NSDAP. The structure in Nazi-Germany and the structure in former GDR was nearly the same. I don't care about german extremists from the left wing or from the right wing - they all are my enemies.
Just goes to prove you don´t know what the fuck you´re writing about.

And seriously, as an absolute right winger you are your own enemy ?

Just slightly move your right hand.
What you feel is the Eiger north.
Nothing else to the right of you.
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First, stop splitting replies, it´s weak. ...
I have no time to answer your very long statements in total. I can only answer on some little pieces.
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... No, I don´t hate Sudetendeutsche.
I hate Nazis ...
You said all "Sudetendeutsche" are Nazis. Anyway. Why are you hating Nazis?
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You said all "Sudetendeutsche" are Nazis. Anyway. Why are you hating Nazis?
No, I did not.
You would know if you read posts and if you´d stick to the truth.
But it is fact, that the Sudetengau had by far the highest contingent of NSDAP members of all regions in Germany.

Now, back to the topic of the thread.
No more answers to your braindead ramble.
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... Link to that if you please. ...
Unimportant. If you like you can use Bernhard Schwentner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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