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anobsitar · #**121** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by stillalive

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Why are you hating Nazis?

anobsitar · #**122** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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... How moving.

Did he meet the girl with the matches ? ...

You are not only hating Nazis - you are hating all human beings, isn't it?

anobsitar · #**123** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by stillalive

... Some names:

Politicians of Sudeten in after-war germany, mainly Bavaria:

Seebohm

Hans-Christoph Seebohm - I don't see a problem.

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Hans Schütz

Good grieve - he founded the "Ackermann-Gemeinde" - a christian organization fighting for democracy and human rights. The aim is it it to enforce the Christians brotherhood betwenn Czechs, Slowaks and Germans - specially Bavarians, Silesians, Bohemians and Moravians. Very nice guy.

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Walter Stain

What's the problem?

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Walter Becher

Siince 1530 lived his family in Karlsbad (Karlovy Vary). Maybe a Nazi - I'm not sure. Nothing about crimes reported. His family created "Becherovka" and Czechs now are earning a lot of money with Becherovka.

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Frank Seiboth

Also not a criminal. I'm stopping now to check out all this names - although I liked to do so. In all cases until now it was maybe important in the years 1945-1969. That's 40 years in the past.

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Siegfried Zoglmann

all of them right wingers, apart from Seebohm all extreme.

Witikobund

Franz kormasin
Ernst Anrich
Konstantin Höß
Karl Krauss
Albert Smagon
Rudolf Staffen
Heinz Flöter
Rolf Kosick
Karl Bassler.

All right wing extremists, most in CSU, VdH, NPD, DNP.

Nice friends to have.

Sucre · #**124** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

03.11.09, 09.12 H The Constitutional Court of the Czech Republic has given its green light to the Treaty.

Of course, it's good news. I will never understand people who are against more cooperation and unity. All in all, the EU has made Europe stronger (that is why many Americans dislike it) and all in all it's a success - a difficult one, yet a sucess.

anobsitar · #**125** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Sucre

03.11.09, 09.12 H The Constitutional Court of the Czech Republic has given its green light to the Treaty.

Of course, it's good news. I will never understand people who are against more cooperation and unity. All in all, the EU has made Europe stronger (that is why many Americans dislike it) and all in all it's a success - a difficult one, yet a sucess.

We will see. I still doubt about wether Vaclav Klaus will sign the Lisbon treaty. But I also was nearly sure the Lisbon treaty never will be signed from Ireland. Only an economy crisis was able to convince enough european people from doing the right things (on the wrong reasons?). I would wish we all could live in wealth, harmony and respect of god without catastrophes. The lingering illness "money" is not a solution for every future - but somehow it would be really a kind of joke of history if a crash in the american markets - what caused worldwide very heavy problems - would had saved Europe from being destructed. Man proposes, god disposes.

Ladies and gentleman - please stand up for the still existing multinational anthem of the European Union: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcUxwpOQ_A

Vincent. · #**126** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

I just read online that the Tsjechische president Vaclav Klaus has signed the Lisbon treaty.

I could link it, but it's in dutch.

Sucre · #**127** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Vincent.

I just read online that the Tsjechische president Vaclav Klaus has signed the Lisbon treaty.

I could link it, but it's in dutch.

Please link.

Sucre · #**128** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

This is correct. The Treaty of Lisbon will enter into force on

1 december 2009

Hourra !

Toot such a long time !

Slartibartfas · #**129** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

JAWOHL

Barroso was right when he said, that the reform process that lead to the Lisbon treaty was like running a marathon... with hurdles. Who would have thought that such a marathon could be won?

The EC is dead, long live the EU

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No seriously, this is a good day for Europe, even though a lot of people probably will disagree with me on this.

Luap · #**130** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

Glad to hear it - good luck with the union Europe. Hopefully a good balance can be found between the developing contintental governance and more local governments. It's quite a step IMO to show that an area once as hostile as Europe was to join together.

Sucre · #**131** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

JAWOHL

Barroso was right when he said, that the reform process that lead to the Lisbon treaty was like running a marathon... with hurdles. Who would have thought that such a marathon could be won?

The EC is dead, long live the EU

PS:
No seriously, this is a good day for Europe, even though a lot of people probably will disagree with me on this.

I agree with you Slarti

I felt a little bit like drinking Champagne tonight.

Sucre · #**132** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Luap

Glad to hear it - good luck with the union Europe. Hopefully a good balance can be found between the developing contintental governance and more local governments. It's quite a step IMO to show that an area once as hostile as Europe was to join together.

Well, actually, one of the consequences of Lisbon will be to transfer some of the stuff to the MPs rather than the Commission. The European Parliament will be in charge of 70% of the issues now.

However, I may surprise you here, as much as I am for "democracy", I am not sooo certain that it is a very good thing in terms of efficiency... Let say it this way, it may make policy makinga bit more difficult.

Stapo · #**133** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

JAWOHL

Barroso was right when he said, that the reform process that lead to the Lisbon treaty was like running a marathon... with hurdles. Who would have thought that such a marathon could be won?

The EC is dead, long live the EU

PS:
No seriously, this is a good day for Europe, even though a lot of people probably will disagree with me on this.

It's a good day, that's for sure and at least Europe is moving forwards again!

We'll all probably live long enough to see, how things will develop from here on and whether that was a single step towards a glorious future or the step too far and directly ldeading into tragedy.

We'll see, until then "AVE EUROPA! Morituri te salutant" or for making anobs Nazi alarm run amok (again

) HEIL EUROPA! Der ENDSIEG rückt näher!

Anyway it's a good day for Europe.

Slartibartfas · #**134** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Sucre

Well, actually, one of the consequences of Lisbon will be to transfer some of the stuff to the MPs rather than the Commission. The European Parliament will be in charge of 70% of the issues now.

However, I may surprise you here, as much as I am for "democracy", I am not sooo certain that it is a very good thing in terms of efficiency... Let say it this way, it may make policy makinga bit more difficult.

Where do you have the number "70%" from? Isn't it the case that actually pretty much everything except for foreign and defense issues is now under what was formerly known as co-decision procedure?

A nice detail is also that the Parliament now will have the power to scrutinize the whole EU budget. I am looking forward to the in fight over the CAP budget.

I think your fear about efficiency is rather unfounded. The EP is a single body which actually has the ability of getting to a common position (backed by the needed majority) rather efficiently. The bottleneck was in the Council and its unanimity decisions. As they have been drastically cut back in favour of majority votings, I actually expect a substantial gain in efficiency within the EU, even if the EP should stand up more often in the future.