Say what you want about the guys political positions, the fact that he is being charged with hate speech is a travesty.

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An attack on the torah or bible does not constitute a defense of sharia law.

Sure they have. Examples: Inquisition, crusades and more recently a bombing of an abortion clinic and I remember an assasination of a doctor who performed abortions.

History is filled with it. Heck, remember northern Ireland?

They wern't defending it

True.

Then why make reference?


Christians NEVER killed or went to war in the name of God, Muslims have.

The actions of those who reside under Sharia Law are taken from the Koran. The Koran in essence is a religious guide for punishment. Now not all Muslims use the Koran as such but those who subscribe to Sharia Law do.

In the Koran there are specific punishments highlighted for specific actions. The Bible doesn't enforce punishment.


Sure Christians have gone to war against Muslims but those wars were over religious philosophy NOT God because Christians and Muslims believe in the same God.

Its the Muslims who have notoriously thought they were Gods "earthly police force" and have made it their business over the years to ENFORCE GODS LAW on people. Its the Muslims who go out of their way to attack "ungodly" people.

Hell, these motherfuckers will kill your ass if you insult God, Christians wont.

That's reality.

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Perspective

I'd call Hell punishment.

Let me get this straight. The wars the muslims waged were in name of their god, the wars the christians waged were in name of their religious philosophy?


Their religious philosophy comes from their god. Therefor when they wage war for their religious philosophy they wage war for the word of god (or for their version of the word of god), ie they wage war for their god. It remains to be seen if christians and muslims believe in the same god, there's only one possible entity who knows that.

Also you're ignoring the very obvious examples that prove you wrong.

The inquisition? Never happend? I find it hard to believe that you really think that no christian has killed in the name of god.

And swoop digs himself yet another hole.

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Do you understand Muslims and Christians BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD?

Muslims and Christians NEVER went to war with one another over "God" but rather went to war over "how one honors God."

In laymans terms Muslims believe they are put on earth to enforce "Gods law" and Christians believe only God can enforce his law and their will be consequences AFTER DEATH for not following that law.

Get it?

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I'm not the one who is just making shit up.

EVERY intelligent person knows that Muslims and Christians believe in the same God..... Vince obviously didn't know that and neither did you.

Are you proud of your ignorance on the matter or are you going to argue with me and make up some shit?

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I am not debating that Christians and Muslims believe in the same god and neither is Vincent. (Though it can be debated that Christians and Muslims believe in the same god) The hole you are digging is in your warped ideas of why Christians and Muslims fought back in the day. You build up illusions swoop and paint them as reality; illusions that have no basis in historical fact.

Do you really want to go down this road with me? I can assure you that you will not come out on top.

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I'm just going to have to admire you for knowing every person and being the sole judge for the term 'intelligent'.


Ow, just pick me up on the inquisition arguement when you're ready.

Muslims expanded into Christian territory, they went to war over religious difference.

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We can go down any road you want .......

And no their is NO debate at all weather Muslims and Christians believe in the same God.

Muhammad is the Muslims prophet Jesus is the Christians prophet both don't recognize the others prophet as a true prophet and that causes conflict among both religions which caused war.

Its that simple.

Now the Spanish conquistadors are a different story all together.

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Its absolutely pointless to debate someone who thinks that Muslims and Christians believe in different Gods.

If you want to talk about the Spanish Inquisition then go for it.

They forced religion on people and established the catholic faith by force and the way they did it was wrong and brutal no doubt.

But sorry this thread is about 21st century Islam.

Just because the Spanish did fucked up shit doesn't make the modern day Muslims justified in their actions.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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And Christians pushed into theirs. Tell a Crusader that the Muslims believe in the same god. You'd end up on the end of a spear along side any muslims they found.

It is certainly not that simple, and the fact that you think it is just goes to show how little you understand the subject. For example, in Christian theology god is 3 seperate entities manifested as one (the trinity). Muslims, on the other hand, claim their god is a single being. Bit of a disconnect there. Sounds to be like they are worshiping different enties from the get go.

Secondly, during the time of Mohammed, he had very little understanding of or contact with (if any) Judaism and Christianity. It wasn't until afterwards that he attempted to make the connection with those Abrahamic religions in order to give his political efforts a religious backing. Therefore, it is an artificial connection and not based in any sort of scripture. Unlike Christianity which was born directly out of Judaism.

Of course, this all assumes you believe in the Abrahamic traditions.

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Never heard of the war of religions ?
European wars of religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christians murdering Christians in the name of god...

Then there are the Baltic Crusades, as well as the conversion of the Germanic tribes by the early Frankish Empire.

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