Pointing out hate speech is not in itself hate speech. That said, banning the Koran would be a violation of Article 6.

Article 6 does give authority to parliament to set rules in place to "combat or prevent disorders."

Let me say it in this way: As a french commander fought in the name of the king of France against Albigensians he was completly "desperated" because the Albigensians and the Catholics lived house by house and no one was able to see a difference between Albigensians and Catholics. So he got an idea and he said to his soldiers: "Kill everyone - god will see who is a good Catholic and will take him in the heaven and who is a bad Albigensian and will send him to hell". No joke - a reality.

Most people see it in this way that all catholics are devils. Lots of people have compassion with the Albigensians. Nearly no one thinks about the murdered catholics. And lots of people are hating in general all Christians for this. I'm personally thinking this commander was an atheist like so many people who are speaking in the name of god. Oh by the way: Do you know why the french king liked to murder the Albigensians in this times? The Albigensians did not like to go to war for him (and also not for anybody else). Maybe they are comparable a little with the Amish people in the USA. What would you personhally do? Kill all Amish and all Americans because you are not able to see a difference between the people? Is "religion" really the key for murder and "areligion" the key for happiness?

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

The Albigensians (Cathars) had become quite popular in the 12th century. The catholic church wasn't too pleased. During a council the doctrine of the Cathars was declared heretical but the group still grew.
Pope Innocent III didn't like that at all. Lots of noblemen who supported the Cathars were excommunicated. First he tried peaceful conversion which wasn't very succesful. He then issued a bull that declared a crusade on the region where most Cathars lived offering the land of the Cathars to anyone willing to fight them.

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Most people have really very wrong and confusing ideas about the inquisiton - that's all. The inquisition for example used an "advocatus diabolo" - the basic idea: even the devil has the right to be defended. Sure this is a good idea for entertainment and fantastic scenes - but it's more simple a question of justice. In lots of cases the inqusition ends with the sentence: "Now go home and don't be a sinner anymore" - that was all.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

What do you like to say? The Albigensians had nothing to do with Muslims - absolutely nothing.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

I didn't say they had anything to do with Muslims I was just correcting what you said about the Cathar crusades because you made it sound like religion had nothing to do with them.

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"People try nonviolence for a week and when it doesn't work they go back to violence which hasn't worked for centuries"
Theodore Roszak

No book enforces punishment, enforcement can only come from those who adhere to it.

The Bible does also have "specific punishments for specific actions" as you phrase it.

Example: Deut 21:18-21

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother. and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them

then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city.

And they shall say to the elders of the city, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.'

Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall put away the evil person from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.

This is one example.

He is a populist and his voters are idiots. Hell maybe even the Dutch in general are idiots, if certain topics are left out of the political spectrum / out of discussions and only so can be used by a populist.

Anyway European PCness, is just as bad as American PCness imho.

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Thomas Hobbes

I totally agree and btw never suggested that I agree with him facing trial.

I can imagine that he's happy about it for the attention and free publicity it offers him, but that's another topic.

Anyway people should just ask him what he wants the government to do with bad + violent literature / books; maybe collect them all and burn 'em in a stake?

Damn nice picture to send to the world -Nazi book burning reloaded (Dutch version 09)?

Apart from that how does believing in the government having a say in books, works with his parties name (Free... something).

It's all so ridiculus, that one can't take this populist serious.

Even less one can take his voters serious; recession is hurting the country, brave Dutch soldiers are dieing in foreign lands...... , but hell who needs answers for such topics, if a political clown talks about the real issue; the Koran.

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Thomas Hobbes

Yeah, but that kid DESERVES to be stoned to death. The Koran is just hate speech.

It was no crusade - it was murder. Catholics and Albigensians lived door by door without any problem until the murderers of the french king came and murdered both groups of people because the people did not do the will of the political leaders. Modern times.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Why are you astonished if I call you an "antifascistic Nazi"? Most people from the Netherlands are very friendly and smiling very nice while seeing the panic in your eyes if they are overtaking you with 120 miles in their caravans.

But to be honest: There are serios discussions abtou the Islam in Europe - and in all of this discussions always happens the same: The people are speaking about Christians and Crucades. But specially people from the left wing are not speaking about the djihad, the situation of Christians in the Muslim world and/or the situation of the human rights. And they don't like to speak about why integration of Muslims in Europe seems in lots of cases to be nearly impossible. There a lots of taboos in all this public discussions (="political correctness") and always the Christians are seen as criminals - although Christians have absolutely nothing to do with this problems. A lot of Christians are helping Muslims in Europe - and I never heard about any other group of people (except Jews) what is really helping Muslims. Neverthelless: The problems of the Islam have nothing to do with the christian religion or the jewish religion.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

I need answers.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Probably, both texts can qualify as hate speech. But under the Dutch constitution, the right to practice one's faith is guaranteed. That guarantee comes with a caveat regarding responsibility under the law. So those muslims, referenced in the OP, that respect Dutch law are in compliance. The fact they are in compliance demonstrates that the Koran per se is not the issue. As I pointed out, the Dutch Constitution does give the parliament the authority to set rules if they see fit (that fall under certain categories).

The OP posted a segment of one speech, undoubtedly to support their own point of view. The Netherlands is not a bigoted country. Their constitution proves that. If there is a genuine case to be made against Geert Wilders, then it will have to made in the Dutch court.

I was just pointing out examples of why it's ignorant to say that christians never killed in the name of god. That's all, no explaining required (at least not from this human. God, I believe, does expect you to spread the love).