What has it to do with the problem that the Koran gives the order to kill all polytheists (including all Christians) and all atheists? Do you think the criminal political leader and the faceless murderer Mohammed is really comparable with Jesus Christ? From where do you think comes the idea of the "crusades"? From Jesus Christ or from the idea "jihad"? And please: I'm expecting answers and not this bullshit what people are subsumizing under "political correctness".

(By the way: A Christian who is killing in the name of god is no Christian anymore - he is automatically outside of the global Christian community - because Jesus Christ is not allowing to kill in his name like also the allmighty god doesn't need to be defended from idiots with weapons. Not only this:

'Teacher,' said John, 'we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.' 'Do not stop him,' Jesus said. 'No-one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly be rewarded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfO6JpR5Ip8 )

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Yes. I'm not seriously calling for the banning of the Koran, and most likely neither is Wilder; it is tongue-in-cheek commentary on the hypocrisy of the Dutch courts and the people they are fronting here here, and Wilder is just pointing out the cognitive dissonance re their charges against him; none of his speeches are 'hate speech', even by Dutch standards, and if they have a problem with his speech, enough to bring him up on fake charges, then they obviously have even more grounds to ban Islamic speech, which is the main issue in the OP.

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"The real question of life after death isn't whether or not it exists, but even if it does, what problems this really solves." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

"A day without sunshine is, you know, night."- Shannon

Of course they want to avoid the issue and take it off topic; they wouldn't have anything to say if they didn't; they know they're either lying or are just ignorant, but that's what happens when you get all your 'views' from just one side of the spectrum; you end up just blathering inane incongruities over and over, no matter how many times they get refuted, as the Wilder Haters have been doing. Their programming doesn't allow for critical thought.

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"The real question of life after death isn't whether or not it exists, but even if it does, what problems this really solves." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

"A day without sunshine is, you know, night."- Shannon

Guess you must have mixed up posts, I haven't lost a single word about Christians or Jews.

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I also did not find a single lost word - but if I find it maybe I will send it to you postage-free.

YouTube - Nur ein Wort - Wir sind Helden (English subtitles)

By the way - the word could be "taboos of the taboo-breakers" or "the violent nihilism of the european 'honorables'". The European Court of Justice for example decided now to force Italy to throw out all crosses from all classrooms in whole Italy because only the nihilistic sign of atheism should be allowed in classrooms: an empty wall without 'religion' (What is indeed the religion of the empty walls). In other words: If 100% of all pupils and teachers are catholics they are not allowed to have a cross in a classroom - although it is only a belief that god is not existing. Europe is deciding such a bullshit. For sure this is a symbol of the helplessness of the Christian religion in Europe (more than 50% of the people of the European Union are catholics) and for sure this is also a symbol for the Muslims to fill this vacuum what will be produced from the European nihilisms. For me it's very clear why the people in Europe don't "like" children anymore: They don't trust in the future because people without roots are not able to survive.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Nothing, it has nothing to do with the koran. I pointed out an error in reasoning not connected to the Koran. You made the connection, then attacked me on it.

Is one religious leader comparable to another? By definition, yes. This does not mean they are the same. And let me get this straight, you are blaming Islamic religious texts for the Christian crusades? Or is the idea of jihad something that's not just Islamic?

Maybe god dislikes those who kill in his name. We humans have a long history of loving those who kill in the name of our god (or our country, our ideal, whatever is in our interest). This does not exlude christians.

Very true.

Now take your own advise and get informed about Wilders from a few more sides then just american media. For example, find out what his opinions are about other things then the Islam.

What?

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

No.

Definition?

I'm convinced there was no other way for Europe to survive than to attack the Islam with its own methods and the results were mass murder in lots of crusades and revolutions.

No - he loves them. But the people who kill in his name are hating him, because they would not kill if they would love god.

You are wrong. Muslims are the problem in this world - and not Christians. The best would be all Muslims would become Christians and would change their societies. Not this one who is the most mighty and rich man shows the grace of god - it's the most poor and misrespected human being where you can find Jesus Christ (=god) alive. This could maybe become a question of survival for all mankind - specially if I see the population growth in the Muslims societies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvjiVam2HO4

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

I have; that's why I said he resembles a moderate conservative by U.S. standards more so than a populist. Thanks for your concern, though.

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"The real question of life after death isn't whether or not it exists, but even if it does, what problems this really solves." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

"A day without sunshine is, you know, night."- Shannon

The 'crusades' were a response to repeated Islamic invasions and attacks on the Byzantines, all of the Mediterranean countries, North Africa, Spain, and France, Italy, Sicily, etc. so yes, their religion prompted 'Christian' invasions. Islamic countries re Western interference in their affairs have nothing to complain about in that regard; they spread their 'Koran' at the point of a sword, and they will perish by the sword for the same reasons Hitler perished and every other fanatic, murderously genocidal creed will; they've made too many enemies and too many mistakes. They will either reform or die; it's up to them which path they choose.

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"The real question of life after death isn't whether or not it exists, but even if it does, what problems this really solves." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

"A day without sunshine is, you know, night."- Shannon

How very jihadish of you.

I think we can stop this discussion.

To place all the blame of 200 years of wars on the other guy is a bit simplistic, wouldn't you agree?

No discussion is complete without a Hitler reference.

What are you suggesting here? They either reform (to christianity?) or they will die (be killed?). This is pretty much the opposite of Christianity you are advocating.

That's what I hate in Europe and the western world. "Fair play" seems since a long time not anymore to exist. A Muslim would think I would be an idiot if I would not say I would wish every Muslim would be a Christian. That's normal, because I'm convinced the christian way is the right way. If I would be convinced from a right way and I would say: "Don't tell this to Muslims!" - then there would be something wrong with me. Anyhow lots of Muslims prefer it to send their children in christian schools and kindergardens instead of secular schools and kindergardens because they are knowing very well: the belief of their children wil be absolutely respected from Christians - although Christians are thinking in another way.

It's really funny in Europe: About Jesus Christ are existing unbeliebvable brutal and cruel statements, pictures, songs, arts and so on and so on. But in case someone criticises the so called prophet Mohamed, who was one of the worst crirminals the world ever saw - or this crazy book with the name Koran - what is also a summary of an ununderstandable nonsense - then Europeans starts to have problems with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of its citizens ... .

Would you please tell me why atheists brought milllions over milliions of Muslims to Europe in the last few decades? What's the sense of all this actions?

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

There are lots of genocides done from Muslims in history and today. They are not undone because you are also using the argument "Hitler".

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs