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Re: Geert Wilders On Hate Speech In The Koran

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Anyhow lots of Muslims prefer it to send their children in christian schools and kindergardens instead of secular schools and kindergardens because they are knowing very well: the belief of their children wil be absolutely respected from Christians - although Christians are thinking in another way.


Would you please tell me why atheists brought milllions over milliions of Muslims to Europe in the last few decades? What's the sense of all this actions?
That's just not true.
So what you are basically saying is that christians only respect people who believe in the same things they do and look down on everyone else. Now isn't that nice.

Atheist brought millions of muslims to Europe? You don't make any sense.
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I'll let myself be sucked again.

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There are lots of genocides done from Muslims in history and today. They are not undone because you are also using the argument "Hitler".
I brought up the hitler arguement because it is a rule of thump that as soon as someone uses him to make a reference it's a solid bet his reasoning is wrong. This is no different, a comparison between Hitler and the (current) muslims is downright rediculous. You're comparing apples to last century paintings, sure they both have the colour green in them, but that's it. (green is a methaphore for killing)

You picked up another line of arguement which I will humor.

"It's really funny in Europe: About Jesus Christ are existing unbeliebvable brutal and cruel statements, pictures, songs, arts and so on and so on. But in case someone criticises the so called prophet Mohamed, who was one of the worst crirminals the world ever saw - or this crazy book with the name Koran - what is also a summary of an ununderstandable nonsense - then Europeans starts to have problems with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of its citizens ... ."

Anyone can say anything about every religion (remember the cartoons from Denmark). They however cannot spread hate, this goes for muslims as well as non-muslims. It's a slippery slope, I know. I'm not to big a fan of it, but there is some merrit to it.

You start with saying that Mohammed is bad and that if someone critizes him we "Europeans" (like we are one group) start to have problems with freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of its citizens (some general kind of freedom?, who knows). What problems? Muslims as well as Christians should and are open to redicule. I can call Jesus Christ a rediculous puppet and I can do the same with Mohammed.

The atheist bringing muslims to europe is naturaly nonsense and very ignorant.

Note: I like you summary of the Islam, it made me smile.
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That's just not true.
What is not true?

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So what you are basically saying is that christians only respect people who believe in the same things they do and look down on everyone else. Now isn't that nice.
Please take a look in the European history and then take a look in my eyes and tell me: "Europeans are no criminals!" - Perhaps you can see in this case a fascinating flashlight of anger in my cold blue eyes.

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Atheist brought millions of muslims to Europe? You don't make any sense.
For sure Christians did not ask Muslims for spiritual help. It was the secular world who asked Muslims to come to Europe. But it seems no one knows anymore why and what's the sense of all this actions. In the moement for example the United Nations are speaking about that Europe needs migration (because the population of Europe likes to minimize itself) so lots of people from all over the world should come to Europe. Why? What's the sense if some people in the wrold are producing human beings like goods and are "selling" their populations to other countries in the world?
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... Anyone can say anything about every religion (remember the cartoons from Denmark). ...
That's one reason I'm angry about a lot of Europeans. I never heard so many bullshit like in this discussion.
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... I like you summary of the Islam, it made me smile.
You are an idiot.

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That's one reason I'm angry about a lot of Europeans. I never heard so many bullshit like in this discussion.
Bullshit like the claim that atheists brought muslims to Europe?

"Would you please tell me why atheists brought milllions over milliions of Muslims to Europe in the last few decades? What's the sense of all this actions?"

The immigrants were brought in to do the jobs that Europeans did not want to do, there was a shortage of workers. Religion had nothing to do with it. So not only is the claim that Atheists did it (as if they are a group with leaders and objectives) wrong. The claim that they brought muslims here is also partly incorrect, yes, they brought muslims here, but not for their religion. Workers were needed and in places with a lot of muslims they had them (turkey, marokko for example). Them being muslims, and I repeat this, had nothing to do with it.
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You are an idiot. How can you like it?
Because it's like I'm at the stadium, watching a football game. The other colours are the enemies and ours are friends. If one of them shoulder pushes one of ours hell breaks loose. If one of our tackles on of theirs so hard the bone sticks out of his leg it's merely a flesh wound and he shouldn't bitch.

Most people, however, when they leave the stadium realize that you need 2 teams to play.
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Bullshit like the claim that atheists brought muslims to Europe?

"Would you please tell me why atheists brought milllions over milliions of Muslims to Europe in the last few decades? What's the sense of all this actions?"

The immigrants were brought in to do the jobs that Europeans did not want to do,
What a nonsense. Everyone is doing nearly every job. That's in most cases only a question of money.

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there was a shortage of workers.
So the solution is in this case to work less.

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Religion had nothing to do with it.
For atheists religion is not existaing (except their own religion) so they are not thinkging about.

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So not only is the claim that Atheists did it (as if they are a group with leaders and objectives) wrong.
Atheism is the one of the most mighty religions in whole Europe - like money for example is one of the most mighty gods in the world - wether a relgion is organized or not organized is not a criteria.

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The claim that they brought muslims here is also partly incorrect, yes, they brought muslims here, but not for their religion. Workers were needed and in places with a lot of muslims they had them (turkey, marokko for example). Them being muslims, and I repeat this, had nothing to do with it.
In my eyes such a statement is part of a western slaveholder mentality. Some few people are earning a lot of money while lots of people get problems.
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Because it's like I'm at the stadium, watching a football game. The other colours are the enemies and ours are friends. If one of them shoulder pushes one of ours hell breaks loose. If one of our tackles on of theirs so hard the bone sticks out of his leg it's merely a flesh wound and he shouldn't bitch.

Most people, however, when they leave the stadium realize that you need 2 teams to play.
Christians lost. End of the game. Now go home - wherever your (spiritual) home is.
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What a nonsense. Everyone is doing nearly every job. That's in most cases only a question of money..
Eh? What? No, there were to many jobs to do for the working population. Meaning all the jobs that were lower class remained unfilled. And seeing as we still needed garbage men or factory line workers, we got those workers from other countries.

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So the solution is in this case to work less.
The solution would have been to work more (because jobs were not filled). This, naturally, wasn't an option.

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For atheists religion is not existaing (except their own religion) so they are not thinkging about.

Atheism is the one of the most mighty religions in whole Europe - like money for example is one of the most mighty gods in the world - wether a relgion is organized or not organized is not a criteria.
It is a criteria if you claim that this "Religion" (I'll let the 'wether or not Atheism is a religion' debate slide) did something. A religion without organisation cannot achieve something, certainly not something as large as important tens of thousands of foreigners.

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In my eyes such a statement is part of a western slaveholder mentality. Some few people are earning a lot of money while lots of people get problems.
They were free to come and go back.
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Eh? What? No, there were to many jobs to do for the working population. Meaning all the jobs that were lower class remained unfilled. And seeing as we still needed garbage men or factory line workers, we got those workers from other countries.
Seems you can find some logic in this kind of thoughts - I'm not able to find it.

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The solution would have been to work more (because jobs were not filled). This, naturally, wasn't an option.
Maybe you are thinking "work" is a god? In 19xx 98% of all people worked as farmers - so what is no option on what reasons?

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It is a criteria if you claim that this "Religion" (I'll let the 'wether or not Atheism is a religion' debate slide) did something. A religion without organisation cannot achieve something, certainly not something as large as important tens of thousands of foreigners.

They were free to come and go back.
Free? What are you calling freedom? "To be free to do a job in a foreign country because the inhabitants of this country don't like to do this job?"

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Seems you can find some logic in this kind of thoughts - I'm not able to find it.

Maybe you are thinking "work" is a god? In 1900 98% of all people worked as farmers - so what is no option on what reasons?
It was no option to let the garbage go uncollected (Naturally there was a whole range of jobs, but this one gives a good picture). While in 1900 98% may have been farmers, without garbage collecters. These days the functioning of a city requires the garbage to be collected.

I'm not sure how you do not see the logic that certain jobs need to be done and that some of those same jobs are jobs the native population don't want to do (although I think it's interesting to note that without any information you come to the conclusion that the atheists must have done it to spite the christians).

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Free? What are you calling freedom? "To be free to do a job in a foreign country for money because the inhabitants of this country don't like to do this job?"
Free in the choice to do it or not do it, yes.
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I have; that's why I said he resembles a moderate conservative by U.S. standards more so than a populist. Thanks for your concern, though.
If you've have then you also know why I think he's a populist. How many of the articles you found about him, or references made to him are about immigrants or Islam? How many are about other issues?
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If you've have then you also know why I think he's a populist. How many of the articles you found about him, or references made to him are about immigrants or Islam? How many are about other issues?
I don't know this xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx. I'm not interested in him. My problem is the unconscious collective of the people in Europe and the political correct bullshit full of taboos what useful European ídiots are using to help extremistic people like him or extremists in the Muslims world. In all cases the united idiots of the third planet in the solar system are believign anyhow more in their own lies after they heard it again from another idiot - than to believe in god and truth.

If you like you can ask a Muslim about why Mohammed is a hero and a good man. And if he tells you something about one of this endless murderous battles and persecutions then try to ask him why an immortal allmighty god needs warriors and murderers.

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It was no option to let the garbage go uncollected (Naturally there was a whole range of jobs, but this one gives a good picture). ...
So - someone in Europe was not able to collect his own garbage and this is the reason he took a Muslim who had to collect garbage. And this system of idiocy you are calling "freedom" or "free choice"? Interesting view. Why not to produce just simple less garbage in Europe?
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