This particular response was ment for picaro.

Why not simply produce less garbage? In this situation garbage represents a whole range of jobs which would mean that you are suggesting that we reduce the amound of work. Which would mean we'd have to reduce the amound of jobs in technology, medicine, etc to have them do factory line work and cleaning. I'd say that is a bad idea for everyone.

And yes, "someone" (meaning western Europe) was in need of people to pick up the garbage and for that he hired an immigrant (not neccisarily a muslim. This is being done up to this day. For example a lot of Polish people also work in western Europe).

I've repeated this a couple of times now.

Why not to give Muslims the jobs in technology, medicine, etc in their countries and atheists from the Netherlands have to collect garbage?

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

That's it? That's what you're suggesting?

You've come from muslims are terrible and should convert and switched over to suggesting we give them everything they need?

While I realize that the last few post of you have just been (poor) sniping at my post, this is absolutely worthless.

Was it good?


I think anobsitar is suggesting that the Muslims get these jobs in their own countries and that the Dutch handle their own garbage issues.

I think Europe has gone mad and that European government leaders are not fit to represent their own people and are not strong enough to stand up against a madman like Wilders.

I think this film, which can be accessed via below link, shows what is wrong with Europe.

YouTube - EU and ME

Welcome to USPO.

When you say "European government leaders," do you refer to leaders of individual countries or members of the EP?

Watched the video. It has no direct significance to this thread.

Thanks.

I mean the leaders of the individual European countries.

Thanks for watching the video and understand your comment in regards to relevance. I wanted to post it as a seperate item however as I just joined I can't post an item yet. I have sent a message to the moderator to ask if this is possible.

To get back to Wilders though, he is a complete nutter in my view and it is due to the weakness of current Dutch politicians that a madman like that can hold a seat in Dutch parlement. There is nothing contstructive about that man what so ever.

You're welcome.

Whether he is "a complete nutter" is not the issue.

Has he made utterances which approach or fill the definition of hate speech as layed out under Dutch law?

They are looking into that at the moment, a well known Dutch lawyer has filed a case against him, which the the Dutch court of law is looking into.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, however when the aim of ones opinion is to incite hatred, which is the case with Wilders, action should be taken.

The sad thing is that some of his points are actually not that bad, however - and this is a big HOWEVER - he chooses to address these issues in a deconstructive way and only to gain publicity for his own gain and not for the common good. He also does not tolerate any open discussion about topics he raises, it is complete ludicracy!!

Wilders, shame on you!

I'm suggesting nothing - I'm only not following the very popular mindset of slaveholders and their moneyity.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

No - this I did not say. I spoke about the criminal Mohammed and his book "Koran" in this context.

Are you always only answering your own thoughts if you are speakign with other people? I like to know why millions over millions of Muslims "invaded" the european world in the last few decades and why no one seem to know anything about this 'mechanisms'. I'm thinking there's an (unconscious?) intention of european atheist to do so on economic reasons without thinking about the spiritual dimension of human beings. If a few million Germans would live today in Turkey I would also be interested in knowing why it's in this way and what's going wrong. If people are migrating in millions always something is going wrong.

Seems to me you don't know how to use your prejudices in my case. What about if you would just simple not try to use prejudices? For exampoel you could try to find arguments without the words "money" and "work".

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

This is what he is referring to:

This does qualify as a suggestion.

You're right.

Specially also I don't see any sense in the way how the problems of population growth are handled in the western world. In some countries the population growth is too low. This shows: something is wrong with this countries - they are sick. In other countries the population growth is too high. And this is also a sign of sickness. Now some very "intelligent" people - like for example the United Nations - like to mix the sicknesses. They seem to think the symptoms "fever" and "subnormal temperature" of two different sick societies are able to create health - but I fear in the end Europe will break into shivers.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

No - it's only an alternative way of thinking. I don't suggest any solution, because I dont have a solution.

One problem to find the right solutions is it that there are lots of peoples with so called taboos and so called dogmas - specially the taboos of the taboo-breakers and the dogmas of the antidogmatic are starting to be very unconscious and uncalculable. And my fear is the real problems will still be ignored from all politicians because they are often not thinking anymore in decades, centuries or milleniums.

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Scientia et potentia humana in idem coincidunt, quia ignoratio causae destituit effectum
Sir Francis Bacon

On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux
Antoine de Saint-Exupery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Etruh7Ch8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs