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Re: Wilders does boost fear of Islam: poll

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Professor Dawkins? He directs most of his criticism there because he lives in a society and culture which is based around Christianity. if you read 'the god delusion' he has a pretty good go at all mainstream religions (other than buddism, oddly...)
Dawkins is convinced that billions of people are wrong since the human race is existing. But now the (wrong) prophet Dawkins told us the truth and the world became a place without this problems what people are forcing to believe in spaghetti monsters. What a luck - we are saved. Thanks Dawkins. ... But: There is a very big difference to believe in a god or to believe in god. Someone who would believe in spiderman (or spaghetti monsters) would be an idiot - and in this case maybe Dawkins would be right. But he knew about that he never will be able to know in this life wether god exists or doesn't exist - that's a question of belief - so he speaks about the probability of the existance of god. But if someone is not able to know wether god exists or doesn't exist he also is not able to know something about the probability of the existance of god. Even an idiot knows this - but not so one of the most famous scientist of the world. This man is a shame for all scientists. He believes that god is not existing - that's all. It's his right to do so - but this makes not other people to idiots.

(By the way: He also speaks in this book about that Einstein did not believe in a personal god. In the german language Einstein often called god "der Alte" (=the old one) and this is a very familiar personal expression full of respect - nearly a kind of declaration of love)

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True, that's a large part, it's where the discontent with the muslim public comes from. That and the 2 political assasinations. However, he does specificaly attack the Koran, claiming it to be a book that promotes hate and leaves the torah alone.
2 political assasinations? One was Theo van Gogh - I'm still shocked about his death, specially the kind he was murdered - who was the other one?
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Guess I found it: "Pim Fortuyn" - isn't it? Unfortunatelly I'm also not sad about his death. Who can be sad about the death of an enemy? That's maybe the reason I forgot him. But maybe he was not even an enemy and I'm also only a victim of the mass media. If I try to find a sense in the story of Pim Fortuyn and his murderer it seems to me both are not looking like real human beings. It's like a dream and no reality. Like "demons" swimming in fear. Pim Fortuyn lived in fear and his murderer lived for fear but both seemed not to live in the 'fear'(=respect) of god and respect of life.

If Wilders will die then another "demon" will replace him as long as this kinds of fear (the other side of terror) are existing. One reason for fear is the Koran and in my eyes the new-european taboo not to speak about the Koran and the unbelieveable cruelity of the so called prophet Mohammed is completly wrong. If someone would for example try to make a film about Mohammed and he likes to show his face - what is necessary if someone likes to show him as a human being - this woud be a reason for this person in the rest of his life to live in fear to be murdered from a Muslim. Such a fear would be completly real and it's not a phantasy. Although the Islam is nearly completly unimportant in whole Europe the fear of the Islam seems to install in all brains an automatical working censorchip.

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Guess I found it: "Pim Fortuyn" - isn't it? ]
Correct. While Theo van Gogh murder was about religion and was terrible. The assasination of Pim Fortuyn is possibly worse. He was the leader of a large political party (which dissolved after his death). The assasination actually had major political impact on the Netherlands. It's speculation, but I believe this also fueled Geert Wilders' popularity.

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Unfortunatelly I'm also not sad about his death. Who can be sad about the death of an enemy? That's maybe the reason I forgot him. But maybe he was not even an enemy and I'm also only a victim of the mass media. If I try to find a sense in the story of Pim Fortuyn and his murderer it seems to me both are not looking like real human beings. It's like a dream and no reality. Like "demons" swimming in fear. Pim Fortuyn lived in fear and his murderer lived for fear but both seemed not to live in the 'fear'(=respect) of god and respect of life.
I'm unsure what your image of him is, but he was no "enemy" of christianity. True, he was gay, but I'm not aware of him either attacking or defending it.

He was actually the person who said we should stop immigration completely (which matters if you consider the size of his political party at the time).

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If Wilders will die then another "demon" will replace him as long as this kinds of fear (the other side of terror) are existing. One reason for fear is the Koran and in my eyes the new-european taboo not to speak about the Koran and the unbelieveable cruelity of the so called prophet Mohammed is completly wrong. If someone would for example try to make a film about Mohammed and he likes to show his face - what is necessary if someone likes to show him as a human being - this woud be a reason for this person in the rest of his life to live in fear to be murdered from a Muslim. Such a fear would be completly real and it's not a phantasy. Although the Islam is nearly completly unimportant in whole Europe the fear of the Islam seems to install in all brains an automatical working censorchip.
Fear is indeed the fueling factor. This fear is built by the 0.1% extremists. These people need to be dealt with if they break the law. For the rest muslims and christians and all other religious people should, and are, free to practice their religion. Naturally criticizing religions should also be uncencorred, and it is. With one exception, the creating of hatred.

Also, I'm not sure how you define "Demon". Actually, I'm unsure why you call them that at all.
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... For the rest muslims and christians and all other religious people should, and are, free to practice their religion. Naturally criticizing religions should also be uncencorred, and it is. With one exception, the creating of hatred.

Also, I'm not sure how you define "Demon". Actually, I'm unsure why you call them that at all.
I will take your allowness to practice my religion on the place where my ancestors once placed the picture of Hitler.
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Yeah he does, he's singling out one religion.
And, that 'religion' is directly responsible for a lot of murder and violence. Let us know when the radical Presbyterians and Buddhists start assassinating film makers and flooding the country with illegal aliens who form street gangs and other wonders of 'diversity'.
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Professor Dawkins? He directs most of his criticism there because he lives in a society and culture which is based around Christianity. if you read 'the god delusion' he has a pretty good go at all mainstream religions (other than buddism, oddly...)
Buddhism isn't a religion so much as a way of life. Not that that makes it superior or anything it''s just hard to bring the same sort of criticisms against it as are usually brought against the Abrahamic faiths because it doesn't come from the same place or work on the same systems.

It's the same thing almost with Shinto and Folk or Magical Taoism but for a different reason. There when you tell people the literal beliefs are silly they just say "of course, they're just stories, told to illustrate a point..."
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