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DutchNews.nl - Wilders does boost fear of Islam: poll

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All religion is delusion. I think a healthy scepticism about Islam, as with Christianity, is a good thing. Wilders is not doing anything that Dawkins and Hitchens are not also doing.

Yeah he does, he's singling out one religion.

I recently saw Dawkins talk about religion on TV. 90% of his comments were directed toward the Christian variety. Hitchens is famously anti-Christian.

I like how the so-called 'pollsters' bias the whole thing by referring to it as 'fear', as if it's just so 'backward' and 'unreasonable' to despise such a violent and atavistic cult. They just shot their own credibility in the foot from the get go.

Speaking of Dawkins, he started his own forum after the long running Internet Infidels forum had its big hissy fight among the principals and split up; II was one of my favorite forums for years.

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Professor Dawkins? He directs most of his criticism there because he lives in a society and culture which is based around Christianity. if you read 'the god delusion' he has a pretty good go at all mainstream religions (other than buddism, oddly...)

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Wilders critizes islam but does not put the other religions under the same scruteny (spelling?). While Dawkins may focus on Christianity, he is also critical of other religions. He's not saying the other religions are fine, as Wilders does.

To be totally fair here, Wilders is not saying those other religions are a problem because members of those religions are not trying to actively seperate themselves from Dutch society and laws.

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True, that's a large part, it's where the discontent with the muslim public comes from. That and the 2 political assasinations. However, he does specificaly attack the Koran, claiming it to be a book that promotes hate and leaves the torah alone.

True. Still, I think I understand why he is doing that. You don't have the Jewish comminuty in the Netherlands failing to integrate with Dutch society or using the Torah to justify them being above Dutch laws.

Would he do the same if it was the case though? I have no idea.

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It's certainly where he get's his political backing from.

Its rather hard given what is occuring inside Islam these days, to heap the same sort of criticism on other more benign religions. That seems to be the point the moral relativists who condemn Wilders continue to miss.

We see the same thing at work in the United States as we speak with the press displaying a an aching desire to attribute the recent shootings at Fort Hood by a disaffected muslim to PTSD and other societal factors while ignoring the evidence that he was motivated by Islamic extremism.

Moral relativity.

Polls don't prove anything. Government-made reports neither.

DutchNews.nl - Wilders 'is undermining democracy': report

Oh boy, the Dutchies are making a big mistake.

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Why Christianity? What means "healthy scepiticism" in case of Christianity (=Humanity)? Why do you live in fear of Christians?

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