Thread: NATO allies under pressure to follow US on troop enforcement for Afghanistan

Originally Posted by Voland

Obamas announcement of sending 30 000 more soldiers to Afghanistan and to demand at least 10000 from the Europeans has been found a mixed response.
Germany and France seem to be buying time by pointing to a conference in London on January 28th Especially the german governement has to take the extreme unpopularity of the mission at home into account ( which is partially due to the recent scandal of covering up civilian deaths, over which the former defence minister , his deputy and the army chief of staff had to go and chancellor Merkel faces a parliamentary inquiry). The only countries that have pledged more troops yet are Britain and Italy and the Netherlands expressed their desire to withdraw combat units ........


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US is right. It's not easy to win war in Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by Stapo

... as soldiers don't commit murder, they lawfully kill ...

Laws made from idiots for idiots to murder idiots are not my laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCw8po7JKo

Originally Posted by capitosinora

US is right. It's not easy to win war in Afghanistan.

Not really - the joke is we already had won war against Taliban within a very short time - they played nearly no role in Afghanistan anymore - and afterwards this "war" got lost. It seems somehow "we" had no to offer a better concept for Afghanistan.

For example we lost this war because the government of Afghanistan is a criminal government. What would you say if Germans would attack Italy to free it from the dictatorship of Berlusconi (or maybe also to help Berlusconi - it's only an example)? In this case even the enemies of Berlusconi in Italy would become enemies of Germans, isn't it? If someone is governed from criminals he prefers his own criminals and not foreign criminals.

Second example: We lost this war in Afghanistan because Taliban fought against drugs in Afghanistan - while today Afganistan is not only the greatest drug-producer of the world - even about 10% of all men in Afghanistan became drug-addicted. Afghans are earning a lot of money with drugs - while drugs are making them helpless the same time. "We" are killing their vital energy although no one likes really to do so - but indeed "we" are doing it.

Third example: We are also killing all prices in Afghanistan because of our "richdom" although we don't have the money to do war ourselves. We need debts to do so. That's also crazy. It seems some people in Afghanistan today are able to earn a lot of money with all kinds of nonsense - but it seems Afghans are not able anymore to earn good money with useful work.

Another example? ... I'm sure I can find some more examples - but I guess all this examples will only show that the western world is the problem it doesn't like to speak about. We are doing something what Americans are calling "war" without transparency and without measurement of results. If I'm thinking about how lots and lots of brave Afghans risked their life in the elections a few years ago - and what a desaster the last elections were ... - does really anyone need more informations to see that it makes absolutely no sense to sink down in this warswamp? The argument "war", "knock down" is always an unbelieveable stupid argument what shows only the stupidity of the waractor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjZawXnMYl8

Originally Posted by reality

... THERE IS NO ARMED CONFLICT OTHERWISE REFERRED TO AS A WAR ON THE OKLAHOMA RESERVATIONS. ...

Nevertheless this old man said to me the best three years in his life was the time he was a pow in Oklahoma where the red indians lived. I don't think someone is able to say today the same about the concentration camp Guantanamo or other unknown concentration camps of the USA. It seems in the last 60 years the USA learned a lot - but is it still on the right way? I doubt about if I hear so many members of "butterfly amarments" - oh sorry: "think tanks". I doubt about if I hear from 'lying spaghetti monsters' and its nearly impossible if I had to hear all this pnacistic imperial statements full of hate in the times when the war and terror propagandist Bush was president of the USA.

Whatever: Are you able to explain to me why a completly unkown very old man says to me in a supermarket - where I helped him to find something - "I was most happy when I was for three years a prisoner of war in Oklahoma where the red indians lived"? I asked him nothing - but he said this to me without any reason to do so. I guess the answer is in a spiritual way very easy: For him I was a kind of red indian although I'm blond and blueeyed. I did him something good and so he remembered the red indians he met in this time. And maybe he felt that this was important for me to know and so he gave his public testimony for the USA and for the red indians living in Oklahoma.

So if you doubt that I'm a red indian you are wrong: I am a red indian although I'm not a native North American child.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJYB2jB8vis

Originally Posted by anobsitar

Laws made from idiots for idiots to murder idiots are not my laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCw8po7JKo

tell that to the police i'm sure you'll go far....... all the way to jail

Originally Posted by anobsitar

Nevertheless this old man said to me the best three years in his life was the time he was a pow in Oklahoma where the red indians lived. I don't think someone is able to say today the same about the concentration camp Guantanamo or other unknown concentration camps of the USA. It seems in the last 60 years the USA learned a lot - but is it still on the right way? I doubt about if I hear so many members of "butterfly amarments" - oh sorry: "think tanks". I doubt about if I hear from 'lying spaghetti monsters' and its nearly impossible if I had to hear all this pnacistic imperial statements full of hate in the times when the war and terror propagandist Bush was president of the USA.

Whatever: Are you able to explain to me why a completly unkown very old man says to me in a supermarket - where I helped him to find something - "I was most happy when I was for three years a prisoner of war in Oklahoma where the red indians lived"? I asked him nothing - but he said this to me without any reason to do so. I guess the answer is in a spiritual way very easy: For him I was a kind of red indian although I'm blond and blueeyed. I did him something good and so he remembered the red indians he met in this time. And maybe he felt that this was important for me to know and so he gave his public testimony for the USA and for the red indians living in Oklahoma.

So if you doubt that I'm a red indian you are wrong: I am a red indian although I'm not a native North American child.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJYB2jB8vis

i can't make heads nor tails of the top paragraph. please rephrase.

sorry dude i'm just not buying it. that is not proof of why youre a red indian. because youre not. youre caucasian, its how you were born, deal with it. sorry if you wanna be running dog or what the fuck ever but youre not.
i'm also not taking a conversation you supposedly had with a possibly fictional character in a supermarket as anything other than a boldfaced grasping lie. youre really reaching here you know?

Not to long ago Anobistar was absolutely sure that a person he had never met nor that he had any information about (me) was not Dutch.

This is somewhat like that. If he claims that he's a red indian, let him. There's no way for you to disprove it and he shouldn't have to prove it.

Also: who cares?

I am pretty sure he is Saxon. Anyways, as you say Vincent, who cares? Just smile and nod

Originally Posted by reality

tell that to the police i'm sure you'll go far....... all the way to jail

... and not to forget the gas chambers behind the jail in a world where laws of murder become more important than the life of human beings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOykCYDMKBs

Originally Posted by anobsitar

... and not to forget the gas chambers behind the jail in a world where your laws of murder are more important than the life of human beings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOykCYDMKBs

we do it by lethal injection these days. and its not murder, its called lawful execution for commision of a capital crime.

And if i were you i really wouldn't point fingers with the whole gas chambers thing :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by reality

we do it by lethal injection these days. and its not murder, its called lawful execution for commision of a capital crime.

Death penalty is one reason why a lot of people in the whole world are thinking the USA is a very antiquated nation of the 19th century what never found the way in the 21st century.

And if i were you i really wouldn't point fingers with the whole gas chambers thing :rolleyes:

If you were I you would know why it is important to do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHXA4_O-MXM

Originally Posted by anobsitar

Death penalty is one reason why a lot of people in the whole world are thinking the USA is a very antiquated nation of the 19th century what never found the way in the 21st century.



If you were I you would know why it is important to do so.

and since when have we ever cared what the rest of the world thinks? Why should what you think effect the way we govern ourselves? I would suggest improper things about a persons parentage if a person thought that what a country we beat in all out war not once but twice thought should have any bearing on what my nation does or does not do to those convicted of a heinous crime such as murder or treason.

the difference being we use the death penalty for legitimate reasons IE punishing murderers and traitors and yall used it to commit genocide and normal murder willy nilly during a war for conquest. quite the comparision youve got there.

Originally Posted by reality

and since when have we ever cared what the rest of the world thinks? ...

Never, I guess.