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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

It explicitly does nothing of the sort.

I'm afraid the Palestine Mandate explicitly proclaims Jewish supremacy over Palestine.

Virtually the entire document establishes Jewish institutions and Jewish immigration forming the basis of the Jewish National Home. No such provisions are included for non-Jews.

Originally Posted by Schnees

I'm afraid the Palestine Mandate explicitly proclaims Jewish supremacy over Palestine.

Virtually the entire document establishes Jewish institutions and Jewish immigration forming the basis of the Jewish National Home. No such provisions are included for non-Jews.

But provisions are explicitly included for the equality, safety and civic rights of the non- Jews.
And again : It legitimizes BRITISH rule prior to the independence of Israel.......

Originally Posted by Voland

But provisions are explicitly included for the equality, safety and civic rights of the non- Jews.
And again : It legitimizes BRITISH rule prior to the independence of Israel.......

Correct, however, the key distinction is that of provisions for political rights for Jews, not provided to non-Jews.

Palestine Mandate, Art. 2...

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such *political*, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the *civil and religious rights* of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

It explicitly avoids naming a Jewish state, opting instead for the legally irrelevant word "homeland." Why is this so difficult?

Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

It explicitly avoids naming a Jewish state, opting instead for the legally irrelevant word "homeland." Why is this so difficult?

"Jewish National Home" was the nomenclature of the time signifying a Jewish state.

"Home" was the term used by the First Zionist Congress, as reflected in the Basle Programme...

Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.

Originally Posted by Schnees

Correct, however, the key distinction is that of provisions for political rights for Jews, not provided to non-Jews.

Palestine Mandate, Art. 2...

The Mandate DOES grant the Jews a national home, not a state, in Palestine. Nowhere does it grant the Jews rule over ALL of Palestine. Especially not in the parts that have never been part of historic Israel ( Gaza).

Originally Posted by Voland

The Mandate DOES grant the Jews a national home, not a state, in Palestine. Nowhere does it grant the Jews rule over ALL of Palestine. Especially not in the parts that have never been part of historic Israel ( Gaza).

The intent of the Palestine Mandate was the eventuality of a Jewish state as testified by key figures Lord Balfour, Prime Minister Lloyd George, Winston Churchill and Woodrow Wilson.

All of Palestine, including Gaza and Jordan, were earmarked in the original Palestine Mandate. The Palestine Mandate does not distinguish either.

Originally Posted by Schnees

The intent of the Palestine Mandate was the eventuality of a Jewish state as testified by key figures Lord Balfour, Prime Minister Lloyd George, Winston Churchill and Woodrow Wilson.

All of Palestine, including Gaza and Jordan, were earmarked in the original Palestine Mandate. The Palestine Mandate does not distinguish either.

You're assigning meanings to words and documents that you apparently do not understand.

Originally Posted by Schnees

The intent of the Palestine Mandate was the eventuality of a Jewish state as testified by key figures Lord Balfour, Prime Minister Lloyd George, Winston Churchill and Woodrow Wilson.

All of Palestine, including Gaza and Jordan, were earmarked in the original Palestine Mandate. The Palestine Mandate does not distinguish either.

The "intent" that you assign to long-dead persons doesn´t matter. What matters is the text that does not support your claim.
And to base land-claims on "intent" is ridiculous......

Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

You're assigning meanings to words and documents that you apparently do not understand.

History records the remarks of Lord Balfour, Prime Minister Lloyd George, Winston Churchill and Woodrow Wilson intending a Jewish homeland in Palestine to eventuate into a Jewish state. Indeed, the Palestine Mandate makes absolutely no mention of Arabs, nor, were Arabs even consulted by the League of Nations, reflecting the recognized ancestral connection between Palestine and Jews.

Even assuming you're right (:rolleyes So fucking what? It's not Balfour and Churchill's land to divy up.

Originally Posted by Schnees

History records the remarks of Lord Balfour, Prime Minister Lloyd George, Winston Churchill and Woodrow Wilson intending a Jewish homeland in Palestine to eventuate into a Jewish state. Indeed, the Palestine Mandate makes absolutely no mention of Arabs, nor, were Arabs even consulted by the League of Nations, reflecting the recognized ancestral connection between Palestine and Jews.

The Palestine mandate for example makes Hebrew AND Arabic official languages, to give just one example.........

Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Even assuming you're right (:rolleyes So fucking what? It's not Balfour and Churchill's land to divy up.

It was Ottoman Turkish land to divvy up and the Ottomans gave the land to the WW I Allies and to Balfour and Churchill to divvy up when they were defeated.