Thread: Hamas admits loosing control in Gaza

Originally Posted by Schnees

No, you made claims about Dr. Lewis and, turns out, you have read nothing of his works.

So amateurish.

If you had read any of his works you would not have made the laughable attempt to try to back up your claims with him. In YOUR post 77 on this thread. And since I am not supposed to search for evidence for YOUR claims the ball is in YOUR corner.

Originally Posted by Voland

If you had read any of his works you would not have made the laughable attempt to try to back up your claims with him. In YOUR post 77 on this thread. And since I am not supposed to search for evidence for YOUR claims the ball is in YOUR corner.

But, I have read Dr. Lewis's works and you have not, thus, your entire premise is severely defective.

For the record, Lewis is a staunch defender of Israel's right to exist.

Originally Posted by Schnees

But, I have read Dr. Lewis's works and you have not, thus, your entire premise is severely defective.

You obviously haven´t as your own post illustrates.
But if you insist that Mr. Lewis supports your silly ideas about jewish supremacy and rights to the entire land you just need to show it.
And noone here has questioned Israels right to exist, don´t try to change the subject.

Originally Posted by Voland

You obviously haven´t as your own post illustrates.
But if you insist that Mr. Lewis supports your silly ideas about jewish supremacy and rights to the entire land you just need to show it.
And noone here has questioned Israels right to exist, don´t try to change the subject.

You, evidently, are unable to discern between sovereignty and supremacy. Dr. Lewis supports Jewish sovereignty.

There are 25 Arab countries in which Arabs have supremacy.
There are 55 Islamic countries in which Muslims have supremacy.

Anti-Semites who cannot bear the thought of one Jewish country will just need to suck it up. Or, suck something.

Originally Posted by Schnees

You, evidently, are unable to discern between sovereignty and supremacy. Dr. Lewis supports Jewish sovereignty.

There are 25 Arab countries in which Arabs have supremacy.
There are 55 Islamic countries in which Muslims have supremacy.

Anti-Semites who cannot bear the thought of one JEwish country will just need to suck it up. Or, suck something.

He supports the existence of the state of Israel. Something nobody here has disputed. He does evidently not support your silly claims about the Palestinians having no and the Jews having supreme rights, the Palestine mandate and land claims based on the bible. Period.
The rest of your post is as usual baseless rant.

Originally Posted by Voland

He supports the existence of the state of Israel. Something nobody here has disputed. He does evidently not support your silly claims about the Palestinians having no and the Jews having supreme rights, the Palestine mandate and land claims based on the bible. Period.
The rest of your post is as usual baseless rant.

Dr. Lewis supports the fact that Palestinians are an historical fiction, as I have demonstrated.

Israel is a Jewish state. If that is supremacy in your addled view, so be it. Who the fuck really even cares?

Originally Posted by Schnees

Dr. Lewis supports the fact that Palestinians are an historical fiction, as I have demonstrated.

Israel is a Jewish state. If that is supremacy in your addled view, so be it. Who the fuck really even cares?

1. No he doesn´t, as you have demonstrated ( by posting a source that does NOT say so). Nor does Dr. Lewis back up your other claims.

2. The Palestinians are no more of a fiction than the modern Austrians or Luxembourgers. They are real people living on THEIR land.

3. You won´t win this argument about Mr.Lewis since you evidently did not read him.

4. Israel IS a multi-ethnic state with a jewish majority, it has internationally recognized borders (1948) and it does not have to justify its existence by making silly and wrong claims about the distant past. It is a fact. And it makes much more sense to focus on building the future than to throw historical documents around that stand in contradiction to the population realities in the ground.

Originally Posted by Voland

2. The Palestinians are no more of a fiction than the modern Austrians or Luxembourgers. They are real people living on THEIR land.

Except, there is not one legitimate book of history authored by a reputable historian on these so-called Palestinians.

Arabs viewed Palestine as southern Syria for most of the past 7 centuries, thus, making it difficult for the existence of Palestinians.

Historian Yehoshua Porath...

The First Congress of the Muslim-Christian Associations which met in Jerusalem in 1919 and brought together thirty delegates from various parts of Palestine adopted the resolution: "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographicaal bonds. We desire that our district Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian government.

In other words, Palestinians were merely Syrians.

I think the whole arguement is crap...
If I own the land I am living on how does anyone have the right to say you have to move because of my religion or ethic group... This is Ethic Cleansing plain and simple..

Originally Posted by CowboyTed

I think the whole arguement is crap...
If I own the land I am living on how does anyone have the right to say you have to move because of my religion or ethic group... This is Ethic Cleansing plain and simple..

Except, most Arabs in Palestine for much of the past several centuries have had no legal title to any land as it was state-owned under Ottoman rule.

No one told Pallies to move. They were, in fact, offered statehood under UN Res. 181 in 1947, which also called for an Arab population in the nascent state of Israel, but, the Pallies went to war with the Jews to annihilate them.

In fact, Jews have been the target of Arab ethnic cleansing since the 7th century through endless persecution.

Attempting to make the case that 5 million Jews are ethnically cleansing 350 million Arabs is almost comical. Indeed, Arabs have been undergoing a population explosion.

Originally Posted by Voland

4. Israel IS a multi-ethnic state with a jewish majority, it has internationally recognized borders (1948) and it does not have to justify its existence by making silly and wrong claims about the distant past. It is a fact. And it makes much more sense to focus on building the future than to throw historical documents around that stand in contradiction to the population realities in the ground.

International treaties constituting international law designating Palestine as the Jewish homeland is hardly silly.

Now, your post being silly is another matter.

Originally Posted by Schnees

International treaties constituting international law designating Palestine as the Jewish homeland is hardly silly.

Now, your post being silly is another matter.

To claim that historic treaties that were signed ninety years ago whose parties don´t exist anymore ( colonial Britain, League of nations) constitute a more valid "right" to the land than the realities on the ground is silly.
It is even more silly if the treaty does not even contain what you claim. Because a homeland is not a state and equal rights for both sides under british sovereignity is not the same as all the land for one party.
And it becomes extremely silly if you keep going through it all again in spite of beeing refuted time after time.
Who are you hoping to convince ? People just need to click on the link that says : Palestine Mandate ( Two times on this thread) and see for themselves.......

Originally Posted by Voland

To claim that historic treaties that were signed ninety years ago whose parties don´t exist anymore ( colonial Britain, League of nations) constitute a more valid "right" to the land than the realities on the ground is silly.
It is even more silly if the treaty does not even contain what you claim. Because a homeland is not a state and equal rights for both sides under british sovereignity is not the same as all the land for one party.
And it becomes extremely silly if you keep going through it all again in spite of beeing refuted time after time.
Who are you hoping to convince ? People just need to click on the link that says : Palestine Mandate ( Two times on this thread) and see for themselves.......

He's claiming the British Mandate from the League of Nations as "international law" as opposed to United Nations Resolution 181 (the Partition Plan), the armistice of 1949, UN Resolution 242, and all relevant treaties and resolutions. In other words, it would be akin to someone from the US declaring that the Magna Carta has more authority than the US Constitution.