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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyTed View Post
    So lets get it then.

    He didn't snub him. If he did he is probably right. Who the hell can have peace talks with one side continually invading the other sides territory?

    Far dues to Obama, he has a very difficult task ahead of him. Bush basically did nothing for 8 years except kiss the Israeli ass (I would be embarrassed if my leader acted in that fashion).

    Lets get things straight, Israel is not a ally or friend of the US. Israel is an ally and friend of Israel. They have always looked out for there interests and placed the US in positions sometimes which has placed them on the wrong side of arguments.
    USATODAY.com - General: Israelis exaggerated Iraq threat

    Even the Iran deal in 2003 was snubbed because Bush couldn't tell Israel what to do. The demands where pretty simple, Saudi Plan on Jewish settlements, ask for an apology for Iraq v Iran war(the US did sell Saddam Chemical weapons) and promise not to invade Iran. And even after all that Iran said this is an opening to a negotiation... They offered stop supporting Hezbolla and Hamas Militarily, allow nuclear inspections,...
    In 2003, U.S. Spurned Iran's Offer of Dialogue - washingtonpost.com
    Bush did nothing??
    What about the Road Map which is still in place today although both sides are violating it.
    It is supported by the EU, the UN, Russia, and the US, but it was a US initiative under Bush and he put a lot of effort into it with some success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic1 View Post
    There are few if any politicians who would dare stand up to Jewish organization and money regardless of the affect on our boys being slaughtered in the ME for fear of not being reelected.( I read where half the money used to elect Clinton came from Jewish quarters.) Even General Petraeus has warned of such repercussions in respect to the detriment of the welfare of our troops by Israeli actions .
    Wrong.


    Petraeus never said that.

    Here's general Petraeus in a press conference where he set the record straight concerning this fallacious accusation.

    The American Spectator : Petraeus Sets the Record Straight on Israel

    And here's a video of his statements from that press conference where he states that these claims are flat wrong:

    YouTube - Petraeus Sets Record Straight on Israel

    He never said US troops are endangered by US ties to Israel, that is completely false. A few bloggers just took a quote out of a 56 page report and twisted it and took it out of context, and then added some spin and some lies to add a little flavor. Then certain news outlets just ran wild with the false story.

    Petraeus Sets the Record Straight on Israel
    By Philip Klein on 3.25.10 @ 6:09AM

    Earlier this month, a posting on the Foreign Policy website caused a firestorm by reporting that in January, Gen. David Petraeus “sent a briefing team to the Pentagon with a stark warning: America's relationship with Israel is important, but not as important as the lives of America's soldiers.”

    According to the dispatch by Mark Perry (an advocate of talks with terrorist groups), Petraeus requested that the West Bank and Gaza be shifted to his Central Command (from European Command) so that the U.S. military could “be perceived by Arab leaders as engaged in the region's most troublesome conflict.”

    The report, which was presented as context for the recent blowup between the Obama administration and Israel, was quickly seized on by critics of Israel as confirmation of their view that U.S. support for Israel hinders America’s national security interests.

    Soon, other blogs followed up by reporting that Petraeus echoed this sentiment in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee. For instance, in a post titled, “Petraeus Makes His Move,” Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall wrote, “Now we have (Petraeus) saying it in his own words.”

    But on Wednesday, Petraeus poured cold water on the controversy, explaining in detail why “all three items...were wrong, frankly.”

    Petraeus made the remarks in response to a question by TAS at a press briefing held prior to a scheduled appearance St. Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire. (Watch video of the full exchange here.)

    To start with, Petraeus said he never requested to have the West Bank and Gaza added to his responsibilities as leader of the military’s Central Command. He said that “every year or so” commanders submit a plan that takes a geographic look at their areas of responsibility, and then there’s discussion about whether it would make sense to redraw the boundaries. For instance, he said, last time Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Djibouti were shifted to the Africa Command.

    “Typically, there’s a question of should we ask to have Israel and Palestinian territories included, because what goes on there is obviously of enormous interest to the rest of the Central Command area, which is the bulk of the Arab world,” Petraeus said. However, he emphasized that it was “flat wrong” to claim he actually requested responsibility for the areas.

    He said the report was “based on ‘bad gouges,’ as a sailor would say -- bad information.”

    He also refuted the claim that he had sent a request to the White House, saying he “very rarely” sends things to the President, and only does so if he’s specifically asked.

    In addition, he explained that the quote that bloggers attributed to his Senate testimony was actually plucked out of context from a report that Central Command had sent the Armed Services committee.

    “There’s a 56-page document that we submitted that has a statement in it that describes various factors that influence the strategic context in which we operate and among those we listed the Mideast peace process,” he said. “We noted in there that there was a perception at times that America sides with Israel and so forth. And I mean, that is a perception. It is there. I don’t think that’s disputable. But I think people inferred from what that said and then repeated it a couple of times and bloggers picked it up and spun it. And I think that has been unhelpful, frankly.”

    He also noted that there were plenty of other important factors that were mentioned in the report, including “a whole bunch of extremist organizations, some of which by the way deny Israel’s right to exist. There’s a country that has a nuclear program who denies that the Holocaust took place.”

    Petraeus continued, “So we have all the factors in there, but this is just one, and it was pulled out of this 56-page document, which was not what I read to the Senate at all.”

    In an effort to tamp down the controversy, Petraeus said, he spoke to Gabi Ashkenazi, chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces, and reassured him that the reports were inaccurate. He also said he sent Ashkenazi a blog post written by Max Boot of Commentary, which he said “astutely” picked apart the erroneous information that’s been floating around.


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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyTed View Post
    So lets get it then.

    He didn't snub him. If he did he is probably right.
    yes I see...:rolleyes:

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Now View Post
    Wrong.


    Petraeus never said that.

    Here's general Petraeus in a press conference where he set the record straight concerning this fallacious accusation.

    The American Spectator : Petraeus Sets the Record Straight on Israel

    And here's a video of his statements from that press conference where he states that these claims are flat wrong:

    YouTube - Petraeus Sets Record Straight on Israel

    He never said US troops are endangered by US ties to Israel, that is completely false. A few bloggers just took a quote out of a 56 page report and twisted it and took it out of context, and then added some spin and some lies to add a little flavor. Then certain news outlets just ran wild with the false story.
    In response to your claim re: "Petraeus". You may well be right. Petraeus would never risk his position of command without expressed direction. But....he IMO would have been right had he in fact registered them as reported.

    Israel is our "Achilles Heal" Not that getting into that position shouldn't be admired. Never the less how are we connected at the hip by our desires and goals ? The bell curve must be right, we (the masses ) are intellectually outgunned ! ( the masses are asses !).
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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Left View Post
    In fact, I think that a deterioration of relations with Israel's government is precisely what our country needs.
    Inane statement.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Schnees View Post
    Inane statement.
    Certainly not. Welcome to the 21st century.
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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by chuka View Post
    Israel current gov undermines american diplomatic efforts for some solution in ME. Obama did not kiss Bibi's ass. That 's for sure lack of experience ... and weakness as well I guess
    Utter nonsense.

    The US's presence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia undermines American diplomatic efforts for some solution in ME.

    As the US's only true ally in the region and one of the most reliable allies in the world, Sheikh Hussein Obama should have kissed Bibi's ass.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Redv View Post
    Netanyahu got the kind of treatment he deserved. Israel should not be building those settlements and expect to have peace with the Palestinians. Obama is right to make it plain that he is in disagreement with Israel.
    There is no rule in international law nor any US--Israeli agreement precluding Jews from living in their own capital of Jerusalem.

    Now, even YOU know.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Left View Post
    I like how "I disagree with Obama on foreign policy" turns into "Obama is an amateur."

    Guess what, not everybody wants our president to be on kneepads for Israel's terrorism.
    Except, Israelis engaged in self-defense against Muslim terrorists does not constitute terrorism.

    Pallies intentionally targeting Israeli civilians for violence and the threat of same DOES constitute terrorism.

    Now, even YOU know.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Left View Post
    Certainly not. Welcome to the 21st century.
    Absolutely, Israel is a critical US ally situated in a region of the world with a key US presence and with critical US interests.

    Now, even you know.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by NYorker View Post
    I say bravo to Obama for being the President with enough balls to finally stick it to Israel... this conflict has been going on for over half a damn century and everyone's sick of it so I think we should force a peace agreement and that means forcing Israel to stop building settlements because that is a big factor impeding peace process... Now as far as leaving your guest unattended in your own home well that is just bad manners I mean he should of at least had the decency to take Bibi to the door
    Big man, Obama "sticking it" to Israel for building houses in their country while Obama is being humiliated by Iranians building nuclear bombs in Iran.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
    I'm so amazed at how easily you reel off those insults to the USA like that was such a good deal that we turned down...NOT.
    Apologize for the Iraq-Iran War? Please...we all know how upfront and honest Iran has always been...why not believe them?
    I always do a reality check when confronted by a seems-too-good-to-be-true offer...who loses and who gains?
    Has Israel ever killed Americans on purpose? Has Iran? Has a Saudi ever used the State to kill and persecute civilians? Has Israel ever beheaded a woman for having a boyfriend? Has Iran? The house of Saud?
    Pretty obvious who has the best chance of supporting the US in a big dust=up, and who would love to lick spilled American blood off their hands...
    We've had years to observe the mindset of the Islamic Majority, and their tacit support of the radical Jihadis.
    No mysteries there...and if there weren't oil interests and financial pressure by the Saud and other Islamic paper holders we wouldn't be having this discussion.
    Except for anti-death penalty pro-rampant abortion but anti-any war Libbies, most Americans are Center-Right which means they wanna play nice but keep a little common sense around for daily use.
    Israel is and always will be "us"...same people and same concept of civilization. Women are equal in the world, all have access to basic life enhancements like freedom of choice and religion, etc...Islam wants a WalMart Rollback of human progress of the last 500-700 years.
    No thanks...!
    (And...Don't make me list all the years of continued Jewish settlement in the area and the actual lack of any real history of the "Palestinians".A post could get really long...)
    You accuse me of insulting the US.. I didn't insult US. I asked the question around entering into negotiations with Iran. Talking kills no one...

    You'll find this hard for you because your lips are pressed so hard against Israel's buttocks....

    Most of your post is just bigoted anti-Islamic rhetoric. It does not deal with the IDF killing Palestinians at a rate of 7 to 1 and higher.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyTed View Post
    You accuse me of insulting the US.. I didn't insult US. I asked the question around entering into negotiations with Iran. Talking kills no one...

    You'll find this hard for you because your lips are pressed so hard against Israel's buttocks....

    Most of your post is just bigoted anti-Islamic rhetoric. It does not deal with the IDF killing Palestinians at a rate of 7 to 1 and higher.
    Except, Islam is just bigoted anti-Semitic rhetoric. The prevailing view of Islamos in the Middle East is that Jews descended from apes and pigs.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Rude Boy View Post
    He [Bibi] has a reputation for snubbing other people.
    You just made this up.

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    Re: Obama snubs Netanyahu

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Left View Post
    I can go all day, Chief.

    You're trying to paint everyone who isn't on bended-knee for Israel as "Anti Israeli" which is, of course, a load of shit.
    You're pro-Israel, then? Good. Israel is a great country.

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