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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    Wrong. The people that were on the offense were the "humanitarians". You see, they were the ones that tried to forcibly run a blockade. Just like in Iraq or Afghanistan, when people try to run a checkpoint it is on the people manning the checkpoint to defend their position. Israel actually showed restraint as a checkpoint runner in IQ or Afghan would be shot with large automatic weapons once their intentions were recognized.

    Don't worry. I wouldn't expect you to understand battle and warfare tactics.
    Yeah, they showed restraint when they shot a doctor that was tending to one of their injured soldiers! Shot four times in the stomach. Restraint?

    Israel shows restraint about as much as much as a crack whore abstains from sucking dick.


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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    well, keep it to yourself but I used to be a waiter at the Cheney Fuhrer bunker....a well connected patron who like arab sweet meats with his freedom frys sent this to me. Bin Laden in disguise making landfall in Florida......they scuttled the other 3 of their fleet when they heard we were on to them.
    Nice one...well there you go...all this time they've been looking for him in Afghanistan and he's actually been rowing the Atlantic on his way to MGM studios in Florida to star as himself in the next Stephen Segal movie..."There and Back Again, a Terrorists Tale by Bilbo Bin Bag Bin Ladden"...predict it'll go straight to video by the way

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Gotta love this guy. Very funny:

    That would be as logical as the statement from the Israeli PM's spokesman – "We made every possible effort to avoid this incident." Because the one tiny thing they forgot to do to avoid this incident was not send in armed militia from helicopters in the middle of the night and shoot people. I must be a natural at this sort of technique because I often go all day without climbing off a helicopter and shooting people, and I'm not even making every possible effort. Politicians and commentators worldwide repeat a version of this line. They're aware a nation has sent its militia to confront people carrying provisions for the desperate, in the process shooting several of them dead, and yet they angrily blame the dead ones. One typical headline yesterday read "Activists got what they wanted – confrontation." It's an attitude so deranged it deserves to be registered as a psychosis, something like "Reverse Slaughter Victim Confusion Syndrome".

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    Nice one...well there you go...all this time they've been looking for him in Afghanistan and he's actually been rowing the Atlantic on his way to MGM studios in Florida to star as himself in the next Stephen Segal movie..."There and Back Again, a Terrorists Tale by Bilbo Bin Bag Bin Ladden"...predict it'll go straight to video by the way

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    screen play by roman polanski, they like'em young so you know....

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Rude Boy View Post
    Gotta love this guy. Very funny:

    That would be as logical as the statement from the Israeli PM's spokesman – "We made every possible effort to avoid this incident." Because the one tiny thing they forgot to do to avoid this incident was not send in armed militia from helicopters in the middle of the night and shoot people. I must be a natural at this sort of technique because I often go all day without climbing off a helicopter and shooting people, and I'm not even making every possible effort. Politicians and commentators worldwide repeat a version of this line. They're aware a nation has sent its militia to confront people carrying provisions for the desperate, in the process shooting several of them dead, and yet they angrily blame the dead ones. One typical headline yesterday read "Activists got what they wanted – confrontation." It's an attitude so deranged it deserves to be registered as a psychosis, something like "Reverse Slaughter Victim Confusion Syndrome".

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    yea I guess, if he makes a living at satire...maybe.

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    Don't worry. I wouldn't expect you to understand battle and warfare tactics.
    Call me a traditionalist but attacking shipping in international waters would appear to be piracy. Certainly, what the Israeli Navy did simply seems like a more high-tech version.

    I suspect that some of the ships didn't resist because they realised that the Israelis would shoot them in 'self-defence'.

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    Don't know what to make of these photos...could be helping them, could be draging them below deck as hostages...no doubt though that these guys are a mess
    What I noticed is that a lot of them seem to be the same guy. He seems to be in pictures 1, possibly 3, 4, 7, 8. Actually, the soldier in 2 and 7 looks identical too.

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    If Iran either directly or indirectly confronts Israel militarily, the US is going to have to take a position. Have heard little from the WH to this point regarding the Gaza situation in general....
    On the contrary, they played a major role in weakening the security council's condemnation of Israel's actions.

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    yea I guess, if he makes a living at satire...maybe.

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    Yeah, I love it. It looks great on me.

    Now, on to serious stuff. Naomi Klein reports:

    Like many of us around the world, Henochowicz, a 21-year-old Cooper Union art student, joined protests on Monday against Israel's outrageous attack on the humanitarian flotilla. But unfortunately, the protest Emily attended was in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, and like so many protests in the West Bank, it was violently attacked by the IDF.



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    What the fuck is wrong with the state of Israel? The government headed by Bibi has literally gone insane.


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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Rude Boy View Post
    Yeah, I love it. It looks great on me.

    Now, on to serious stuff. Naomi Klein reports:

    Like many of us around the world, Henochowicz, a 21-year-old Cooper Union art student, joined protests on Monday against Israel's outrageous attack on the humanitarian flotilla. But unfortunately, the protest Emily attended was in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, and like so many protests in the West Bank, it was violently attacked by the IDF.



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    What the fuck is wrong with the state of Israel? The government headed by Bibi has literally gone insane.
    am I supposed to nod and say why yes sir obviously insane.?...:rolleyes:

    he was at a protest, and was hit by a tear gas cannister, it sux and an awful price to pay for being politically active, but this the ME, ready, it was a protest...you know? How many of these get out of hand....? beats me, many I figure.


    Maybe they should have rappelled some commandos in, Marmara style, they could have shot him on the face and he would not be suffering.......for god sakes dude, get a grip.

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    am I supposed to nod and say why yes sir obviously insane.?...:rolleyes:

    he was at a protest, and was hit by a tear gas cannister, it sux and an awful price to pay for being politically active, but this the ME, ready, it was a protest...you know? How many of these get out of hand....? beats me, many I figure.


    Maybe they should have rappelled some commandos in, Marmara style, they could have shot him on the face and he would not be suffering.......for god sakes dude, get a grip.
    I have a grip ... I've come to grips with the fact that the Israeli government has gone off its rocker.


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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Rude Boy View Post
    I have a grip ... I've come to grips with the fact that the Israeli government has gone off its rocker.
    well, when you come to grips with the fact that this just didn't 'happen', maybe you'll regain some perspective.

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    well, when you come to grips with the fact that this just didn't 'happen', maybe you'll regain some perspective.
    Well, I guess one has to have perspective when one chooses to ignore all of the peace activists Israel has injured or killed over the years. Failing that, I guess one would have no "perspective."

    Interesting days, these.


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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Rude Boy View Post
    Well, I guess one has to have perspective when one chooses to ignore all of the peace activists Israel has injured or killed over the years. Failing that, I guess one would have no "perspective."

    Interesting days, these.
    perspective is a choice of focus really, does one choose to focus donw into the micio, or does one take both the big and small on the way to formulating an opinion, an eduated opinion.

    you act or have posted the last several times as if this all took place in a vacuum, because imho, the big picture is not conveniently supportive of what went on here.

    Its something I have seen for years most especially coverage of Israel, when the details are not fitting, broach the 'big picture' when the big picture doesn't fit, drill down to details. The media has done it for decades. Its dishonest and doesn't really educate the observer at all, thats why there are preconceived notions taken as fact or misunderstandings working for and against both sides, which obscure the issue.

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    Re: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    perspective is a choice of focus really, does one choose to focus donw into the micio, or does one take both the big and small on the way to formulating an opinion, an eduated opinion.

    you act or have posted the last several times as if this all took place in a vacuum, because imho, the big picture is not conveniently supportive of what went on here.

    Its something I have seen for years most especially coverage of Israel, when the details are not fitting, broach the 'big picture' when the big picture doesn't fit, drill down to details. The media has done it for decades. Its dishonest and doesn't really educate the observer at all, thats why there are preconceived notions taken as fact or misunderstandings working for and against both sides, which obscure the issue.
    You really believe that? I am educated on the big picture. I know this whole situation isn't created in a vacuum. I understand the complexities of the conflict, that's why I find it laughable when Israel imposes a blockade on 1.5 million people with the excuse that it's trying to stop weapons from being smuggled in. I mean, they don't let pasta or notebook paper in - which I understand can be very dangerous.


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