Thread: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

Originally Posted by stillalive

Originally Posted by Imperator

so there it is folks the tale of the tape, several of what I am sure are now labeled as Zionists, jew lovers etc.,me among them, have admitted; a) that the loss of life was a tragedy, b) have posited ideas as to how Israel could have gone about this minus the ship boarding, c) exhibited general regret that things got this far....d) have admitted the blockade is problematic ..

and this is met by; "dude, they can't get no chocolate"....very little discussion was had ala, 5 ships in which the same boarding technique was employed, had zero incidents, the 6th ship the blue marmara had a number of agent provocateurs, whom are from known and recognized terrorist entities, recognized by European authorities as such, signed their wills before boarding, were filmed singing songs with lovely, lilting lyrics like death to jews etc...yes thats the song of choice for all goods humanitarians, the evidence, links etc. not even discussed in earnest, or totally ignored.

And that Turkey, nation who's respect for human right is shall we say, not exactly something to marvel at ( hello Nicosia? Kurds?) and knew, absolutely knew what was going down ala the blue marmara and the org. whom put those folks on it, let hem sail from their land under their flag, are now ceded the moral high ground due to such.
Not a word of reproach or critique...."they can't get tampons man!!!!!!!".....I for one can't take ya'll seriously.

Links to that assertion if you please.

All you´ve done so far is attacking the messenger.
Now let´s see what you´ve got.
It won´t be much I´m afraid.

I'm your Huckleberry!

Let's see...

The marmara had a number of agent provocateurs, whom are from known, and recognized terrorist entities recognized by European authorities as such, signed their wills before boarding (stated their goal to become martyrs - inserted by me!), were filmed singing songs with lovely, lilting lyrics like death to jews etc.


Have a nice day!

Originally Posted by fishjoel

There are already links to all of that information in this thread. Apparently, you didn't want to read them. But feel free to go back through the thread and check them for yourself.

Joel, I´m not interested in opinion pieces, nor am I interested in Zionist propaganda.

There is no ststement of the Turkish Government yet as to the backgrounds of the quoted "terrorists".

There is a mentioning, though not published yet, that 12 former Turkish soldiers got on board unnoticed to join Hamas as mercenaries.
Their venture was opportunistic, as Hamas had not asked for foreign mercenaries.
The guys just took a chance.
(source is a phone call to a friend in the Turkish embassy in Berlin, the gent works directly with Mr Ahmet Acet, the Ambassador)

There is no official mention of "terrorist groups" or the like.
Nor will there be cause none is involved.

Now if you were referring to this brilliant piece of deliberate misinformation put forward by a zionist and happily taken over by Fox (link posted by Imp) it´s utter bullshit and not even quoted by the Israeli government.
Just by some looney who tried to grab the limelight. (I´m referring to the above mentioned Zionist, NOT to forum members here)

Here´s the bit and read it properly, please.

"Before the flotilla entered Israeli waters, rumor had it that the organizers [of the aid initiative] had links with the al Qaeda terrorist network," Arthur Avnon was quoted as saying on the website of public broadcaster DR.

Taking openly admitted rumors and quoting them as truth is overdoing it quite a bit.

So, let´s please stick with facts.
Rumors won´t do.

Originally Posted by Renton

Hey stillalive

I suppose we could debate the size of the knife, but at least we are agreed that we are looking at a knife being presented to (thrust into) an IDF soldier, which was the main point of me post

Thrown over board???...check again?????
I think you have the wrong poster bud...can't remember commenting on that

A knife attack is despicable in any case, especially if done as in the vid from behind.
Thank G-d, the attacked soldier went unhurt cause the attacker struck the backpack and the bullet proof vest of the IDF soldier.

With the latter (thrown over board) I do apologize, got mixed up with another post.

Have a nice evening.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

And what evidence is there that the Israelis would give anything anywhere close to the rights that the Palestinians deserve? They're too interested in maintaining their religious apartheid state, and they know that were they actually to treat the Palestinians like equals (which they should be) they'd be an instant minority.

Sheesh...the lessons never seem to end today. All Palestinians, that were in Israeli proper during it's foundation, are Israeli citizens. They can vote, hold jobs, own property, and hold public office. All of those Palestinians had those rights and the Arab nation decided it wanted to kill all the Jews anyways. The present occupation is a result of those actions and continued actions.

So there you have it. Palestinians do have equal rights.

Originally Posted by lutherf

So now you are just rationalizing your hatred and in the process are avoiding taking responsibility for checking your sources and spreading propaganda.

Sorry, son, hatred is not part of my make-up.

Responsibility is obviously none of yours.
Else you wouldn´t go about wrongly accusing others you don´t know of the very things you yourself apply.

Edit:
Ere I forget it.
Here´s a bit about the most prominent female Zionist:

http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/12/g...nd-us-any.html

Truth here, not propaganda.

Originally Posted by Slon

If there is truth to the lists of banned items (jam?), then it looks like there might be at least one problem in the validity/legitimacy department.

Hardly ... unless you believe that jam is an "essential foodstuff."

Originally Posted by Slon

Which brings up the question of, was the blockade legal, if yes, was it valid, if yes, were the circumstances leading to it valid?

If there is truth to the lists of banned items (jam?), then it looks like there might be at least one problem in the validity/legitimacy department.

These are the appropriate questions. Since it's apparent that the blockade was legal, due to the fact that there was no UN resolution to end it, the actions of Israel were legitimate. Unless you don't believe in the power of the UN, which I would probably agree with you there, but that is about all we have to go on for this situation.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Sheesh...the lessons never seem to end today. All Palestinians, that were in Israeli proper during it's foundation, are Israeli citizens. They can vote, hold jobs, own property, and hold public office. All of those Palestinians had those rights and the Arab nation decided it wanted to kill all the Jews anyways. The present occupation is a result of those actions and continued actions.

So there you have it. Palestinians do have equal rights.

You're on a roll today. Next you'll be telling me about how you'd be the tooth fairy but the tights were too itchy.

Here's something interesting:

Little Green Footballs - Did Reuters Crop a Photo to Remove a Peace Activist's Weapon?
Little Green Footballs - Another Cropped Reuters Photo Deletes Another Knife - And a Pool of Blood

It appears that the photos of the "peace activists" Reuters released are cropped to conceal weapons in the hands of the "peace activists" as well as blood and injuries to the soldiers.

Interesting, no?

Of course, it's not the first time Reuters has published doctored photos.

Matt

Originally Posted by pramjockey

You're on a roll today. Next you'll be telling me about how you'd be the tooth fairy but the tights were too itchy.

No...they make me look fat.

But as for the actual post you do realize that that is fact, correct?

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Here's something interesting:

Little Green Footballs - Did Reuters Crop a Photo to Remove a Peace Activist's Weapon?
Little Green Footballs - Another Cropped Reuters Photo Deletes Another Knife - And a Pool of Blood

It appears that the photos of the "peace activists" Reuters released are cropped to conceal weapons in the hands of the "peace activists" as well as blood and injuries to the soldiers.

Interesting, no?

Of course, it's not the first time Reuters has published doctored photos.

Matt

If news organizations are editing photos for content (not just enhancing), that's despicable, and IMHO should be a crime (unless they note that they have edited said photo).

Originally Posted by fishjoel

No...they make me look fat.

But as for the actual post you do realize that that is fact, correct?

"Palestinians in the territory at the time of its creation."

What about their descendents? People forcibly relocated? Etc. Etc.

Originally Posted by Peace Now

I'm your Huckleberry!

Let's see...

The marmara had a number of agent provocateurs, whom are from known, and recognized terrorist entities recognized by European authorities as such, signed their wills before boarding (stated their goal to become martyrs - inserted by me!), were filmed singing songs with lovely, lilting lyrics like death to jews etc.


Have a nice day!

a) israeli (non-official) assertations
b) danish report from 2006/7
c) a right wing opinion piece without backups.
d) where does Hamas come in ? were they on the ships ?
e) ah now, the Telegraph and another "were said to be" allegation. Read about rumors above.
f)now who can prove, this was taken aboard a flotilla vessel ?
Which first and second attempt ? as there were none.
And the boat where this was filmed is a ferry.
g) Sorry, don´t speak enough arabic. But the chanting was obviously done in a house (was there one on the ships ?)
Besides, it´s a stuck together filmlet, I could produce something like that using three independant clips.
The women I did understand, she said merely :Either we´ll reach Gaza or we will die as martyrs i.e. get killed. She did not say: we will fight.
And it´s a Palwatch production. Does Zionist agency ring a bell ?

So, back to the boat Huck.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

If news organizations are editing photos for content (not just enhancing), that's despicable, and IMHO should be a crime (unless they note that they have edited said photo).

Except another thread showed that according to the US courts, the news media has complete right to intentionally lie and distort the news. We have Faux to thank for that wonderousness.