Thread: Israeli navy opens fire on international aid convoy for Gaza : At least ten dead

Similarly, for every Palestinian rocket attack that kills a helpless child, and every suicide bomber that kills women and kids, the international community sits by and wrings it's hands.

For those rockets, Hamas are being punished by the int'l community; for example, the U.S. contribution for buidling the blockade wall in egypt.

Now, how is israel rewarded, for their crimes, beside negative comments, words?

Originally Posted by sami

mmm, did Hamas only got negative comments from the int'l community?



Abbas should withdraw from the meaningless negotiations and announce civil resistance. How many years have Arabs been negotiating for their accupied lands? and what did they get in return? resistance is the only way that Israel may realy sit on the table and take the peace process seriously.



I advocate the peace process, but since its not working. civil resistance should be adapted.

Wait...are you suggesting Arab nations try and start a war with Israel?
Yeah...that would be smart.
So instead of small incidents like this where small numbers are killed and injured, we should instead turn it into a situation where 10,000's will be killed and injured.
Brilliant.

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Wait...are you suggesting Arab nations try and start a war with Israel?
Yeah...that would be smart.
So instead of small incidents like this where small numbers are killed and injured, we should instead turn it into a situation where 10,000's will be killed and injured.
Brilliant.

Civil resistance is different than starting a war.

Originally Posted by sami

Civil resistance is different than starting a war.

WHo resisting who?
Israeli's resisting?

The more sources I read and the more videos I watch in this incident, the closer I come to the conclusion that this was once again an example of a sort of "partnership" between Pro-Palestinian militants and Israel forces.
Militants purposely putting civilians in danger hoping Israel takes the bait, and Israel all too willing to take it.
Every video clip I have seen thus far is the same..a few shots of Israel boats going beside the "relief" boats - and then the video cuts to the aftermath.
Everything in between is missing. And as shown before, what is missing is likely cut on purpose as it would show a few militants antagonizing Israel soldiers; trying to enlist violence in return.
So does Israel deserve blame?...yes - but not without even more blame accessed to Pro-Palestinian militants creating the incident so an international outcry could once again occur.
Peace will never happen in this region.

Am I the only one who finds it odd that the press release by the israeli army that Haaretz quotes refers to the ship´s crew as beeing "armed" with knifes and sticks ? So israeli navy commando soldiers storm a turkish ship in international waters, the crew hurl "sticks and knifes" at them ( if these reports are true) and we are to believe that elite soldiers have no other option but to open live fire ?
I will wait with my judgement for the reports of the journalists and writers, MP´s from various european countries and the EP to be released ( if something happened to one of them Israel is in deep shit) but surely the guy who gave this order deserves a medal from the Hamas propaganda departement ( if such an institution exists). The PR coup for Hamas would not have been higher if Israel had simply waived the convoy through after a weapon inspection.....

Originally Posted by Voland

Am I the only one who finds it odd that the press release by the israeli army that Haaretz quotes refers to the ship´s crew as beeing "armed" with knifes and sticks ? So israeli navy commando soldiers storm a turkish ship in international waters, the crew hurl "sticks and knifes" at them ( if these reports are true) and we are to believe that elite soldiers have no other option but to open live fire ?
I will wait with my judgement for the reports of the journalists and writers, MP´s from various european countries and the EP to be released but surely the guy who gave this order deserves a medal from the Hamas propaganda departement ( if such an institution exists). The PR coup for Hamas would not have been higher if Israel had simply waived the convoy through after a weapon inspection.....

They also reported that some of the passengers grabbed at Israeli weapons, on BBC they say Israel officials state "they were fired at from the boats"
Who knows, neither party is trustworthy, both twist stories to fit what they want you to see.
In my book - the truth usually lies in between.

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Who knows, neither party is trustworthy, both twist stories to fit what they want you to see.
In my book - the truth usually lies in between.

The difference is that the organisers of this convoy aren´t Palestinian militants but a very diverse alliance of aid and human rights groups from all over Europe and Turkey. Among them best-selling authors, renowned journalists, MP´s. Not all of them may be trustworthy and some or many may be heavily biased, certainly. But this time the fallout from this action could be devastating for Israel should the first impression turn out to be true. Patience in EU capitals is little anyway after the passport forgery affair following the Dubai killing. Turkey has already withdrawn its ambassador from Tel Aviv and more is certainly to come......

Video - Activists Dead as Israel Storms Ship - WSJ.com

The israelis say they offered to let the ship offload supplied in Israel, and the Israelis would deliver any humanitarian supplies allowed. The ship ignored them, and the warnings that they would take hostile action. The flotilla wanted confrontation. They got it. Reality people. Reminds me of those whale wars guys who got their boat sunk.

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Not to defend anything here - Israeli military doesn't exactly have a clean record, but I read two reports that one of the ships refused to stop for inspection..one report said they fired weapons (unclear if they were firing in the air or at Israeli military).
And in typical Israel fashion - shoot first ask questions later is what commenced after that.
On one hand why the hell would they not stop for Israeli military when not doing so is suicide as proved 1000 times, and why once again does Israel overreact?

There will never be peace here.

The solution is pretty simple. Palestine stops attacking Israel, makes a state out of the land it has, and spends its money on improving life for its citizens instead of making bombs.

Originally Posted by sami

mmm, did Hamas only got negative comments from the int'l community?

I am not understanding your comment here...

Abbas should withdraw from the meaningless negotiations and announce civil resistance.

what does the west bank have to do with this?

How many years have Arabs been negotiating for their accupied lands? and what did they get in return? resistance is the only way that Israel may realy sit on the table and take the peace process seriously.

we are off track here.

I advocate the peace process, but since its not working. civil resistance should be adapted.

annnnd when that begins negotiations won't take place at all....stalemate. Abbas should steer his own course.

Originally Posted by sami

For those rockets, Hamas are being punished by the int'l community;

how so?

for example, the U.S. contribution for buidling the blockade wall in egypt

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and Egypt they are down with this are they not? Why they are in agreement might be a clue for you.

Now, how is Israel rewarded, for their crimes, beside negative comments, words?

I don't know, how is hezbollah rewarded?

Originally Posted by lutherf

It's all really quite simple to decipher. If the purpose of the flotilla was to deliver humanitarian supplies then they would have complied with the Israeli's who have no problem whatsoever with humanitarian aid to Gaza. Obviously, the flotilla had other priorities than simply getting aid through. On the other hand, if Israel had REALLY wanted to cause an international incident they could have simply opened up on the ship when they refused to stop.

The math is pretty simple.

At the risk of over simplifying today's event. Seems the flotilla's plans were pre-announced. Israel made clear what would (and would not) be acceptable. And the Flotilla decided to plow ahead knowing full well that Israeli ships would stop them. Hard to miss this was provocatoin/agenda driven.

Appeared to me that the Israeli forces made every reasonable effort to stop the ship without violence. But the "flotilla side of the equation" was not about to allow that to happen....


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