Thread: Belgian elections

Originally Posted by WoI

Officially, yes. And that Flemish demand of yesteryear is one of the causes of the problems now because it doesn't correspond to reality. In reality there isn't a clear cut line between the languages. Trying to put a legalistic Berlin wall on a diffuse border is as idiotic as the Isreal/Palestine physical wall.

There is a clear cut line, the borders of the flemish region. (Vlaams Gewest)

Gee, I got an idea. People speak whichever language they want anywhere they want and their representatives adapt to the people instead of the other way around.

No problem but the comminicatio with the goverment must be in Dutch, just like the councilmeetings must be in Dutch (is the law).

LOL. Same parties, same results, same people, Then what ?

Stronger Flemish-nationalism parties.

Nice self-fulfilling prophecy.

That's why we don't have a federal geoverment. The francophone want's a status qua and the Flemish want a states-reform

The NVA. What you're referring to is but the latest end game. I have no problem with the PS saying "Trop is teveel".

The NVA did have proposols on paper, the PS didn't. Even the SP did make it clear it was the PS that didn't do anything.

Inclusiveness has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. I know NVA <> VB, we've established that ages ago in this thread. It's about what to do with the cake when the cake gets smaller. Left -inclusive- solution : everybody gets a smaller piece. Right -exclusive- solution : Those with the smallest piece get thrown out of the cake room altogether.

It's about taking responsibility. The wallonian economics is a disaster for decades. Why should Flanders pay for the misgovernment of the francophone politicians?


Yes, in the opposition. If there was as much as a peep of critique, I must have missed it.

You should vote PvdA then

A bunch of communists that supports open borders.

Originally Posted by WoI

Brussels Journal = Paul Beliën and his spouse Alexandra Colen = Vlaams Belang = Vlaams Blok.

And?

The artikel is neutral enough to explain the tensions about language.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

Already is.

Legally, yes, but only legally, not in reality. And it's only so because the NAPO made it so. The NAPO is someone's abbreviation for NationalPopulisten which I didn't come up with but sure am going to use because it has all the right meaning and connotations.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

Step 2 : Observe that the French speaking people in that region still speak French (the gutzpah !!)
Only communication with the local authority should be in Dutch. Privat i don't care.

Enforced use of language = fascism.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

Seems that you don't understand the problem of BHV.

The electiondistrict in Belgium is provincial except BHV and Leuven. That's unconstitutional. Now an voter in BHV can vote for 2 regions but a voter in any other electiondistrict cannot. That's BHV. The flemish demand is that if you live in Flanders you vote for the flemish region. This does not forbid for an frenchspeaking voter to form or to vote for a francophone party in Flanders.

Enforced reduction of democratic options = fascism. It's the population that says what government should be like, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

There is a clear cut line, the borders of the flemish region. (Vlaams Gewest)

Artificial, blind for sociological reality and a cause for further problems.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

No problem but the comminicatio with the goverment must be in Dutch, just like the councilmeetings must be in Dutch (is the law).

Confer supra.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

Stronger Flemish-nationalism parties.

If that happens, the only result is the problem gets even bigger and even more pointless.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

That's why we don't have a federal geoverment. The francophone want's a status qua and the Flemish want a states-reform

BS. The Flemish NAPO's (Nationalpopulisten) want this, not 'the Flemish'.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

The NVA did have proposols on paper, the PS didn't. Even the SP did make it clear it was the PS that didn't do anything.

Now, yes, after seven months. When it has become abundantly clear that the only interest of the NVA is sabotage.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

It's about taking responsibility. The wallonian economics is a disaster for decades. Why should Flanders pay for the misgovernment of the francophone politicians?

LOL. Economic growth in Wallonia has been larger than or equal to that in Flanders for several years. All such figures prove anyway is that there are a thousand sociological factors besides politics that establish GDP figures. And they are pretty meaningless in any case.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

A bunch of communists that supports open borders.

Completely open borders are a logical conclusion for anyone that genuinely values freedom.

Originally Posted by Sucre

But what is your picture supposed to prove?

That the "French" (the majority) do not respect the Basques (the minority) ?
Certainly not since, on the picture you posted, the French names have been erased from the signs, not the Basque names!

This picture was shot in Corsica (FLNC - Front de libération National Corse)
And it only proves that stupid corsican nationalists like to shoot themselves in the foot, a national sport over there, considering the amazing amount of subventions they get from the evil continental France

Originally Posted by WoI

Legally, yes, but only legally, not in reality. And it's only so because the NAPO made it so. The NAPO is someone's abbreviation for NationalPopulisten which I didn't come up with but sure am going to use because it has all the right meaning and connotations.

The borders are more than 40 years old. Has nothing to do with nationalisme,it was voted in 1962 by the traditional parties.

Enforced use of language = fascism.

Can I use Dutch in England, USA or Germany with the local authority? I don't think so.

Enforced reduction of democratic options = fascism. It's the population that says what government should be like, not the other way around.

The majority of the Flemish voters wants a statesreform.

Originally Posted by WoI

Artificial, blind for sociological reality and a cause for further problems.

Not artifficial, its the border between the french and Dutch language. The francophones in the flemish borders are not not an historical minority but from Brussels and Wallonia from the last 50 years. They are creating the problem by refusing to adapt themselfes.

If you don't belive me, ART4 constitution.

If that happens, the only result is the problem gets even bigger and even more pointless.

It's quite simple, a big reform for a better working of belgium or seperation.

BS. The Flemish NAPO's (Nationalpopulisten) want this, not 'the Flemish'.

The majority of flemish voters.

Now, yes, after seven months. When it has become abundantly clear that the only interest of the NVA is sabotage.

NVA did constructive work, the only parties with proposals an paper where flemish. PS and CDH not one proposal on paper.

LOL. Economic growth in Wallonia has been larger than or equal to that in Flanders for several years. All such figures prove anyway is that there are a thousand sociological factors besides politics that establish GDP figures. And they are pretty meaningless in any case.

Growth in percentage indeed but in numbers the flemish growth is bigger.

3% of 100.000 (Wallonia) or 2% of 160.000. You see that percentages doesn't tell exactly the reality.

Completely open borders are a logical conclusion for anyone that genuinely values freedom.

Nonsens, borders are needed to protect the safety, economics, culture and social security of a nation (region). We already have one of the biggest problems with immigrants.

Originally Posted by Denis

This picture was shot in Corsica (FLNC - Front de libération National Corse)
And it only proves that stupid corsican nationalists like to shoot themselves in the foot, a national sport over there, considering the amazing amount of subventions they get from the evil continental France

If Corsica want's independancy than I support them. They have the wright to determine their own future.

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

If Corsica want's independancy than I support them. They have the wright to determine their own future.

About 10% of the corsican population supports independency
The others are smart enough to understand that it would be a suicide

BTW, I personnaly am totally in favor of giving independancy to Corsica, Martinique, Guadeloupe...if the majority of their people ask for it, which of course will not happen for obvious reasons

Originally Posted by Hellfigger

The electiondistrict in Belgium is provincial except BHV and Leuven. That's unconstitutional. Now an voter in BHV can vote for 2 regions but a voter in any other electiondistrict cannot. That's BHV. The flemish demand is that if you live in Flanders you vote for the flemish region. This does not forbid for an frenchspeaking voter to form or to vote for a francophone party in Flanders.

What I simply don't get is who came up with that completely idiotic idea to split the election areas up like this. Why shouldn't it be possible to vote anywhere in Belgium for anyone? And honestly I don't care if the status quo is due to Flemish or Walloon intervention, its stupid either way.

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

What I simply don't get is who came up with that completely idiotic idea to split the election areas up like this. Why shouldn't it be possible to vote anywhere in Belgium for anyone? And honestly I don't care if the status quo is due to Flemish or Walloon intervention, its stupid either way.

Mister Vandelanotte (SPa)

The reason is because Belgium is an federal country. The same principal like the USA and Germany in election areas. The only problem in Belgium with the electionsystem is BHV, split it and this problem is solved.

Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

What I simply don't get is who came up with that completely idiotic idea to split the election areas up like this. Why shouldn't it be possible to vote anywhere in Belgium for anyone? And honestly I don't care if the status quo is due to Flemish or Walloon intervention, its stupid either way.

Who do you think ? A previous incarnation of the NAPO's, i.e. the VU. That was back in 1977. Yes, that's at least how long this bullshit has been going on.