Thread: Canadians Ditch Right-Wing Bid To Allow Fake News

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Fox News' Lies Keep Them Out of Canada

CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news - The Globe and Mail

With the Middle East and other big stories taking the spotlight, this little big story flew under the radar even in Canada last week, but it deserves mention. Perhaps this thread belongs in Media/Culture, but since it was instigated and pushed by the Prime Minister in Canada, it goes beyond a simple media or culture issue.

Conservative PM Stephen Harper made a push recently to have communications regulators ditch the part of Canadian law that says a media outlet can not give "false or misleading" news.

You have the freedom as an individual to lie to other individuals or groups of people, but not on the airwaves in Canada, and Canadians quickly rose up and let their voices be heard loud and clear that they would not stand for a repeal of that law.

The CRTC (Canadian Radio/TV Telecommunications Commission) held up their regulations last week and quickly ditched any plans to review that clause, in keeping with the majority of Canadians wishes to not have to endure crazy-talk on the radio and flat out lies from a bid to try to get Fox News expanded into Canada or at least for some kind of Fox News-style of broadcasting that depends on alluring weak-minded people into believing things not based on facts.

It says something about the right-wing even in Canada that they knew they'd have to repeal the law against lying in the media in order to get some kind of Fox News Canada up here, or to open the doors on Canadian airwaves to hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh.

Canadians are very proud of the CBC and CBC Newsworld, which are non-partisan and offer a degree of journalism akin to the BBC and Al Jazeera worldwide with reporting on matters that matter more than constant Charlie Sheen coverage or talking heads who sit around telling themselves things that aren't true and then making up their minds to believe those things must be true.

Journalism akin to al Jazeera!?

Okaayy.

Originally Posted by darth omar

Journalism akin to al Jazeera!?

Okaayy.

Are you one of those people who hates Al Jazeera but hasn't taken the time to watch it?

It's filled by mostly former BBC people and plays out like the BBC in it's feel.

If you want an accurate look at what is going on in the Middle East, they're the best.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Are you one of those people who hates Al Jazeera but hasn't taken the time to watch it?

It's filled by mostly former BBC people and plays out like the BBC in it's feel.

If you want an accurate look at what is going on in the Middle East, they're the best.

And you think BBC has no bias?

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Fox News' Lies Keep Them Out of Canada

CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news - The Globe and Mail

With the Middle East and other big stories taking the spotlight, this little big story flew under the radar even in Canada last week, but it deserves mention. Perhaps this thread belongs in Media/Culture, but since it was instigated and pushed by the Prime Minister in Canada, it goes beyond a simple media or culture issue.

Conservative PM Stephen Harper made a push recently to have communications regulators ditch the part of Canadian law that says a media outlet can not give "false or misleading" news.

You have the freedom as an individual to lie to other individuals or groups of people, but not on the airwaves in Canada, and Canadians quickly rose up and let their voices be heard loud and clear that they would not stand for a repeal of that law.

The CRTC (Canadian Radio/TV Telecommunications Commission) held up their regulations last week and quickly ditched any plans to review that clause, in keeping with the majority of Canadians wishes to not have to endure crazy-talk on the radio and flat out lies from a bid to try to get Fox News expanded into Canada or at least for some kind of Fox News-style of broadcasting that depends on alluring weak-minded people into believing things not based on facts.

It says something about the right-wing even in Canada that they knew they'd have to repeal the law against lying in the media in order to get some kind of Fox News Canada up here, or to open the doors on Canadian airwaves to hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh.

So Fox News is not allowed in Canada? Wow, I didn't know Canada had so little rights to free speech.

Let me get this straight. That law exists so the government can arbitrarily censor news it doesn't like. Basically, the news there has to tow the liberal line or it gets canned. Interesting. This law says two things.

1. Thought control.

2. The Canadian government thinks their people are so stupid they have to control what they watch.

This story demonstrates a lack of freedom in Canada from a need to control the message of the media for purposes of keeping their citizens ignorant and controlled.

FJ, all Fox would have to do is abide by the law - which means that they couldn't be fake or misleading. Not sure why that's unreasonable.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Fox News' Lies Keep Them Out of Canada

CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news - The Globe and Mail

With the Middle East and other big stories taking the spotlight, this little big story flew under the radar even in Canada last week, but it deserves mention. Perhaps this thread belongs in Media/Culture, but since it was instigated and pushed by the Prime Minister in Canada, it goes beyond a simple media or culture issue.

Conservative PM Stephen Harper made a push recently to have communications regulators ditch the part of Canadian law that says a media outlet can not give "false or misleading" news.

You have the freedom as an individual to lie to other individuals or groups of people, but not on the airwaves in Canada, and Canadians quickly rose up and let their voices be heard loud and clear that they would not stand for a repeal of that law.

The CRTC (Canadian Radio/TV Telecommunications Commission) held up their regulations last week and quickly ditched any plans to review that clause, in keeping with the majority of Canadians wishes to not have to endure crazy-talk on the radio and flat out lies from a bid to try to get Fox News expanded into Canada or at least for some kind of Fox News-style of broadcasting that depends on alluring weak-minded people into believing things not based on facts.

It says something about the right-wing even in Canada that they knew they'd have to repeal the law against lying in the media in order to get some kind of Fox News Canada up here, or to open the doors on Canadian airwaves to hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh.

Canadians are very proud of the CBC and CBC Newsworld, which are non-partisan and offer a degree of journalism akin to the BBC and Al Jazeera worldwide with reporting on matters that matter more than constant Charlie Sheen coverage or talking heads who sit around telling themselves things that aren't true and then making up their minds to believe those things must be true.

Talk about false news....

First of all Fox News is available in Canada so obviously the CRTC does not consider it to be "false or misleading".

Secondly, the decision to get rid of this regulation was made 10 years ago by a regulation committee, not by Stephen Harper. Ten years ago there was nobody trying to start a conservative TV news channel, so it has nothing to do with that.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

So Fox News is not allowed in Canada? Wow, I didn't know Canada had so little rights to free speech.

Under Fox's current mantra of "we have the right to intentionally lie on the airwaves", no, that kind of 'free speech', shouldn't be allowed - even in the US - since the public owns the airwaves which are only leased by broadcasters. Unfortunately, it is legal in the US.

I'm not sure whether Canada owns the cable infrastructure which would then be another place Fox wouldn't be allowed to intentionally lie to its viewers.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

So Fox News is not allowed in Canada? Wow, I didn't know Canada had so little rights to free speech.

Let me get this straight. That law exists so the government can arbitrarily censor news it doesn't like. Basically, the news there has to tow the liberal line or it gets canned. Interesting. This law says two things.

1. Thought control.

2. The Canadian government thinks their people are so stupid they have to control what they watch.

This story demonstrates a lack of freedom in Canada from a need to control the message of the media for purposes of keeping their citizens ignorant and controlled.

Face it. Fox News, at least some of it's talking heads, do not use "free speech," they use "free lies."

There should be a difference made between those two elements!

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Under Fox's current mantra of "we have the right to intentionally lie on the airwaves", no, that kind of 'free speech', shouldn't be allowed - even in the US - since the public owns the airwaves which are only leased by broadcasters. Unfortunately, it is legal in the US.

I'm not sure whether Canada owns the cable infrastructure which would then be another place Fox wouldn't be allowed to intentionally lie to its viewers.

Canada doesn't own the infastructure, but the Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission regulates the content on radio and TV.
So if Fox News was considered "false or misleading" it would not be allowed to be broadcast in Canada - which it is.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

FJ, all Fox would have to do is abide by the law - which means that they couldn't be fake or misleading. Not sure why that's unreasonable.

Give me a break, Pramster, this is censorship. What does your statement even mean? "all Fox would have to do is abide by the law"? So how do you grade if the news is fake or misleading? What kind of scale is there? Who decides what is misleading? Does Canadian news/radio/print outlaw all editorials?

I'll tell ya what it means. It means that one slant of news is acceptable and one isn't. Hmm...it beg the question. I wonder if they allow any American news. Fox = Bad and Rush = Bad but MSNBC = Good and Democracy Now = Good? Awesome.

Unless Canada has all editorials and they only singularly report on actual physical occurances than you don't have a point and neither does the article and neither does anyone else who posted in the affirmative to the OP. Unless this is so then I am undeniably correct that this is thought control and no one else can refute it.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Under Fox's current mantra of "we have the right to intentionally lie on the airwaves", no, that kind of 'free speech', shouldn't be allowed - even in the US - since the public owns the airwaves which are only leased by broadcasters. Unfortunately, it is legal in the US.

So Fox's "lies" are bad and your lies are "good". Very nice. Never thought you to be a fascist. My impression was more a libertarian bent colored with liberlism. Sieg Heil, my friend.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Face it. Fox News, at least some of it's talking heads, do not use "free speech," they use "free lies."

There should be a difference made between those two elements!

Face what? That your ideology can't win in an open debate? That your side cant win unless the game is rigged? That's the face that is worth mentioning.

That and the face of disdain the Canadian government has for their people.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Face what? That your ideology can't win in an open debate? That your side cant win unless the game is rigged? That's the face that is worth mentioning.

That and the face of disdain the Canadian government has for their people.

I am totally certain that Canadian people would disagree with you.
And when you talk about a game being rigged. . . you mean like the 2000 elections??

Spinning and lieing is your game, dear!