Thread: Looks like Ghadafi has won...

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I can't see blaming Obama here.

If you must blame someone outside Libya, it seems to me that the Arab League and the EU would be more viable targets for blame. It's their backyard.

Matt

Frankly I am happy Pres Obama has more sense than to get us involved in another damn internal affair in the M.E. And I wish the hell we would have never invaded Iraq and also wish we had killed Osama when we had him cornered in Afganistan and then got the hell back home!

Given the fiscal mess, we sure as hell cannot afford these damn police actions. Especially when you don't raise taxes to finance the damn things.

It's time the USA stopped trying to fix other folk's messes. We got our own that should take priority over everything else for god's sake.

It is ironic with all of the fiscal woes, and the Pubs wanting to cut some things to the bone that we would even entertain going into Libya. Those guys are fucking nuts! Crazy as loons! But there never was a war they did not salivate over, well, as long as they don't have to go, but can send underprivledged young Americans to do the dying. Fuck the Cons and the neoCons. And fuck any Left Wingnut that wants to meddle in the affairs of other Nations.

Originally Posted by Donahue

You're too caught up in this idea of friendship and being well liked.

We didn't lift sanctions and begin giving aid to Col. Gaddafi because we want to invite him over for a sleep over party. Heck, we didn't even lift sanctions or give aid to Col. Gaddafi. We lifted sanctions on and gave aid to Libya in exchange for them pursuing actions beneficial for us. If the government of Libya changes, then it changes. Col. Gaddafi just happens to be the leader of that country right now.

We have good relations with the United Kingdom and their Prime Minister David Cameron. Would it be hypocritical if we didn't go to war with the UK if their voters choted out Cameron and his party in the next election? Cameron may be the face of his government, practically speaking anyway, but it's the country we're dealing with, not him.

Well, if none of what I mentioned is a concern, then I simply have one more question.

Is it worth the cost for us to get involved in Libya?

Originally Posted by GeorgeLaw

Obama has failed. He had a chance to act but not knowing what to do,
afraid to do anything when knowing nothing, he erases concern in his mind by playing golf and playing with the NCAA Tournament seeding(he knows something about this).
Failure as a President , failure as Commander(what a joke) in Chief, failure as a leader, failure to gather foreign leaders to act in Libya(they dont respect him either).
Even France(Sarcosi) has recomended a NO FLY zone.

Every ally around the world will doubt our resolve.
Obama encouraged Libyan protesters VERBALLY but did not act to even gather together foreign action. He diserted those he lead on deceitfully.
He is now seen world wide as weak and indecisive, and USA is seen as a "PaperTiger".

[]China, Russia, Iran, Chavez, OsamaBin Laden are all rejoicing tonight,,,USA is in decline!

You seem to be quite the keyboard warrior. Pray tell, if you want to see us in another war so badly, why not write to your congress critter? How about rallying support? I think this is one of Obama's few decisions that he's dealt with correctly. He is exhibiting a near non-interventionist foreign policy; at least in regards to Libya. This has been as close to non-interventionist as any president has gotten in regards to any country in the middle east, ever. I have to applaud him for this one.

Originally Posted by RRAHH

You seem to be quite the keyboard warrior. Pray tell, if you want to see us in another war so badly, why not write to your congress critter? How about rallying support? I think this is one of Obama's few decisions that he's dealt with correctly. He is exhibiting a near non-interventionist foreign policy; at least in regards to Libya. This has been as close to non-interventionist as any president has gotten in regards to any country in the middle east, ever. I have to applaud him for this one.

Good for you! I'm glad to see that you do have a good sense of fairness.

And you are obviously right. The last thing the U.S. needs now is another war to pay for!

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Good for you! I'm glad to see that you do have a good sense of fairness.

And you are obviously right. The last thing the U.S. needs now is another war to pay for!

I try and be fair when possible. The fact is, Obama played his cards right this time around. By not getting involved more than a few mere words, he has secured some wiggle room with regards to Libya. Obviously, just keeping his mouth shut and not saying or doing a thing would have been optimal and non-interventionist but I can't expect any president who is Democrat or Republican to completely stay out of the internal affairs of other nations. This is a good step nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Good for you! I'm glad to see that you do have a good sense of fairness.

And you are obviously right. The last thing the U.S. needs now is another war to pay for!

I agree about non-intervention, but it's more than ironic that the US Vichy government in Iraq hung Saddam Hussein for the stated reason that "he killed his own people" by authorizing the gassing of the rebellious Kurds, but the US is less concerned about Kaddafy killing his own people; and that the US sock puppet Saudi Arabia is now invading Bahrain to prop up another totally anti-democratic regime.

Originally Posted by RDK

Because by not doing anything Obama gives the right an excuse to rant and rave about his not doing anything.

Of course had Obama intervened then the right would have been ranting about Obama getting the US into another war but that is the other side of the coin.

Exactly. This is an issue for Libyans. Obama was correct in not getting involved.

Too little too late...

Obama and his inability to make a decision has cost the rebels a fighting chance. Any strikes now or in the near future would be useless. The time to act has passes, and Obama should be ashamed.

I assume that the Liberals and Obama supporters will also join me in condeming Obama, albeit for differant reasons as they said any strikes at anytime would be bad. - I will not hold my breath though...

U.S. Seeks UN Resolution Authorizing Strikes on Libya - FoxNews.com

The Obama administration is pushing hard for a Thursday vote on a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing airstrikes and other measures to stop Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi from killing more civilians and defeating rebel forces in Libya.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya "requires certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems."

Clinton told reporters in Tunisia the specifics of international action against Qaddafi were still being negotiated at the United Nations in New York.

The move comes as Qaddafi forces have made "significant strides" against the rebels in Libya. Qaddafi forces said it would cease military operations on Sunday to give rebels a chance to surrender, without giving further details about the offer, Reuters reported, citing Al Arabiya TV.

Originally Posted by RRAHH

I try and be fair when possible. The fact is, Obama played his cards right this time around. By not getting involved more than a few mere words, he has secured some wiggle room with regards to Libya. Obviously, just keeping his mouth shut and not saying or doing a thing would have been optimal and non-interventionist but I can't expect any president who is Democrat or Republican to completely stay out of the internal affairs of other nations. This is a good step nonetheless.

Obama has asked the UN to allow him to start bombing.... how do you feel about him now?

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Frankly I am happy Pres Obama has more sense than to get us involved in another damn internal affair in the M.E. And I wish the hell we would have never invaded Iraq and also wish we had killed Osama when we had him cornered in Afganistan and then got the hell back home!

Given the fiscal mess, we sure as hell cannot afford these damn police actions. Especially when you don't raise taxes to finance the damn things.

It's time the USA stopped trying to fix other folk's messes. We got our own that should take priority over everything else for god's sake.

It is ironic with all of the fiscal woes, and the Pubs wanting to cut some things to the bone that we would even entertain going into Libya. Those guys are fucking nuts! Crazy as loons! But there never was a war they did not salivate over, well, as long as they don't have to go, but can send underprivledged young Americans to do the dying. Fuck the Cons and the neoCons. And fuck any Left Wingnut that wants to meddle in the affairs of other Nations.

Obama has asked the UN to allow him to start bombing.... how do you feel about him now?

Jesus Christ.

Why do you assume that Obama is indecisive? He clearly made a decision - not to act in Libya. Not to extend our already stretched forces into another civil war in the MidEast. Not to spend more money that we don't have on another military conflict.

That he's not publicly said "yeah, we're not doing anything for ya, rebels" is unsurprising. That's how international politics goes.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Frankly I am happy Pres Obama has more sense than to get us involved in another damn internal affair in the M.E. ...

That doesn't appear to be the case. U.S. Seeks UN Resolution Authorizing Strikes on Libya - FoxNews.com

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Jesus Christ.

Why do you assume that Obama is indecisive? He clearly made a decision - not to act in Libya. Not to extend our already stretched forces into another civil war in the MidEast. Not to spend more money that we don't have on another military conflict.

That he's not publicly said "yeah, we're not doing anything for ya, rebels" is unsurprising. That's how international politics goes.

pssst umm he just asked the UN for permission to start bombing.. albeit a tab bit to too late due to his indecisivness...