Thread: Germany : Making money by making stuff

Very perfunctorily. Even a short-term success can not stop the long-term changes. While financial services can not be outsourced, the industries change their lacations to China and other countries. Germany´s current "successes" are made by China´s need for production means. Stupid to give them away, soon there will be no need for "Made in Germany" anymore. That´s it. Redundancy and a low purchasing power will be the future of Germany. And there is another fact, that is not good for Germany: Many big German companies have a high level of foreign owners.
Watch here the percatage of foreign tenure of German companies. At first, its importand to make clear, that special German military industries, medias and hightech companies were grabs.
EADS: 77,5 %
ProSiebenSat.1: 100 %
Wincor Nixdorf: 90 %

Some other example for successfull German companies:
SAP: 55 %
Deutsche Post: 54.1 %
Daimler: 71, 8 %
Adidas: 86 %
Allianz: 71 %
BASF: 57 %
Bayer: 73 %

These are just some examples, the peak of the iceberg. Biggest owners are mostly mindless Fonds.
Can we just speak about a "German economy"? If there will be no changes in Germany, it soon will be the poorhouse of europe.

Originally Posted by Bleipriester

Very perfunctorily. Even a short-term success can not stop the long-term changes. While financial services can not be outsourced, the industries change their lacations to China and other countries. Germany´s current "successes" are made by China´s need for production means. Stupid to give them away, soon there will be no need for "Made in Germany" anymore. That´s it. Redundancy and a low purchasing power will be the future of Germany. And there is another fact, that is not good for Germany: Many big German companies have a high level of foreign owners.
Watch here the percatage of foreign tenure of German companies. At first, its importand to make clear, that special German military industries, medias and hightech companies were grabs.
EADS: 77,5 %
ProSiebenSat.1: 100 %
Wincor Nixdorf: 90 %

Some other example for successfull German companies:
SAP: 55 %
Deutsche Post: 54.1 %
Daimler: 71, 8 %
Adidas: 86 %
Allianz: 71 %
BASF: 57 %
Bayer: 73 %

These are just some examples, the peak of the iceberg. Biggest owners are mostly mindless Fonds.
Can we just speak about a "German economy"? If there will be no changes in Germany, it soon will be the poorhouse of europe.

The European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company is only 22.5% German ? The horror !

A new politic has to take place in the Reichstag, what ever it takes.
They do not hate Germany, it is not about Hitler, thats long time ago.
But it is easy to have a fool, who does what they want and who pays, pays, pays. They do not want to miss it anymore.
But this times must have an end now. What would europe be without Germany? Right! A retarded backspace with few technolgies. But they show only the bad things, Germany did. They squat in their shitplaces and scream, how crapy Germany is, around them the poor are dying and they bomb the defenseless, by promises of global peace and wealth. Where Water is most needed, its the most expensive good and mostly infested with oil and dirt. While another fat bastard eats a hudge steak, 100 children are starving to death and they can not longer watch Gadaffis "crimes". Making a no fly zone by flying into it... What a scoff. What we have now in the fight for freedom? Criuse missles killing civilians...
But there is a hope! Soon, the Chinese will rise to world´s number one and the mass killing will end right then, when there will be a new power, which can not be bombed for fun. Then the persons pulling the levers get to eat, what they gave to the world and there will be silence once and for all.

Sorry, I can not take this dissembling shit anymore.
My politicals are for all humans, not for senseless sloughterings and making new enemies of the west, who will give new reasons to bomb more.
I call all Amercans and Europeans to crush their criminal governments and stop our walk to the kloof. Our condition is grave.

Originally Posted by Bleipriester

A new politic has to take place in the Reichstag, what ever it takes.
They do not hate Germany, it is not about Hitler, thats long time ago.
But it is easy to have a fool, who does what they want and who pays, pays, pays. They do not want to miss it anymore.
But this times must have an end now. What would europe be without Germany? Right! A retarded backspace with few technolgies. But they show only the bad things, Germany did. They squat in their shitplaces and scream, how crapy Germany is, around them the poor are dying and they bomb the defenseless, by promises of global peace and wealth. Where Water is most needed, its the most expensive good and mostly infested with oil and dirt. While another fat bastard eats a hudge steak, 100 children are starving to death and they can not longer watch Gadaffis "crimes". Making a no fly zone by flying into it... What a scoff. What we have now in the fight for freedom? Criuse missles killing civilians...
But there is a hope! Soon, the Chinese will rise to world´s number one and the mass killing will end right then, when there will be a new power, which can not be bombed for fun. Then the persons pulling the levers get to eat, what they gave to the world and there will be silence once and for all.

Sorry, I can not take this dissembling shit anymore.
My politicals are for all humans, not for senseless sloughterings and making new enemies of the west, who will give new reasons to bomb more.
I call all Amercans and Europeans to crush their criminal governments and stop our walk to the kloof. Our condition is grave.

What on earth are you talking about and what has it got to do with the subject of the thread ?

Originally Posted by WoI

What on earth are you talking about and what has it got to do with the subject of the thread ?

Can´t you see, that it is a daisy chain of the circumstances?

Originally Posted by WoI

The European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company is only 22.5% German ? The horror !

These 22,5 % belongs to Daimler, which belongs to foreigners by 71.8 %.

Once, Germany had a Company, called DASA. Now, it has nothing.

When we see that "evolution", we´ll see, that noone can say, EADS is mine.

Germany will do fine in the long run as long as they continue to excel in technical competence.

As far as I can tell, Germany is doing fine economically, but they have some pretty messy issues regarding assimilating Turkish immigrants.

Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

As far as I can tell, Germany is doing fine economically, but they have some pretty messy issues regarding assimilating Turkish immigrants.

Oh yes, an importand issue.
I spent more than 3 month in Caldas da Rainha. Some people from Angola, but not millions like here...

Originally Posted by Bleipriester

These 22,5 % belongs to Daimler, which belongs to foreigners by 71.8 %.

Once, Germany had a Company, called DASA. Now, it has nothing.

When we see that "evolution", we´ll see, that noone can say, EADS is mine.

Germany doesn't have 'nothing', it participates in (and sometimes dominates) all kinds of transnational and European enterprises both on a public and private level. But the only thing the ownership structure of the quoted -and in fact all large- corporations indicates is that it soon will make no sense whatsoever anymore to use the narrow notion of nation state to analyze these entities.

The nation state as the top political-organizational level is soon to become as obsolete as villages or cities now are in that role. It's called globalization and while that word has two meanings I'm referring here to the unavoidable sociological reality which is a result of an increase in mobility and the ease of communication the Internet brought.

You're showing that nation-state nationalists live in the past, and one that depending on the degree of romanticization possibly never existed in the first place. As Voland's link shows, while Germany as an isolated entity becomes less important, Germany as an integrated part of a larger context becomes more important and it's doing well.

Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

As far as I can tell, Germany is doing fine economically, but they have some pretty messy issues regarding assimilating Turkish immigrants.

Maybe because assimilation isn't the goal. Integration is.

Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

As far as I can tell, Germany is doing fine economically, but they have some pretty messy issues regarding assimilating Turkish immigrants.

Well, firstly, integration is more a political than an economical issue.
And while it is important to be just ( the migrants have played a crucial role for the old western Germany to run its economy under full steam in the 50´s, 60`s, 70´s), the success of integration is a mixed picture. There are people like my neighbours ( to avoid confusion I live in Germany and work in Luxembourg), whose son is serving in the german army in Afghanistan and whose daughter is a computer scientist ( without headscarf and married to a German) and negative examples as well. The picture is by far not as bad as the scaremongerers would make you believe, but it is important not to ignore or downplay the problems that are evident ( for example higher rate of school dropouts, higher rate of poverty etc.).
Some facts are sometimes getting lost in the discussion though :

1. Most Turks in Germany are second or third generation ( about half of them hold german citizenship) and not immigrants.

2. There is no turkish immigration to speak off anymore.

3. Turks ( or Muslims in general) are neither the only group of migrants, nor a uniform group of migrants nor the one that is doing worst on all accounts.

Challenging Stereotypes: Germany Has 1 Million More Muslims than Previously Thought - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Letter from Berlin: Searching for Facts in Germany's Integration Debate - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

And lastly, that issue is rather off-topic.

Hey, I'm just going by what Merkel said a short while ago.