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View Poll Results: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?
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That was rather arrogant, insulting and entirely uncalled for.
But not entirely inaccurate...
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But not entirely inaccurate...
Well I don't see how it could be inaccurate since it didn't actually state anything except possibly that Denmark is a "piss-ant country" and that the US is "the greatest naiton on Earth", both of which mean almost nothing without context and, regardless, are entirely matters of opinion.

I'm thrilled that hairball approves of the US and its illustrious Constitution (I'm rather fond of them myself) but I'm annoyed at continually seeing my countrymen needlessly insult other nations and go on about how "great" we Americans are. Such pointless braggadocio only makes enemies and causes people to view Americans as stuck-up, ignorant bores.

Anyway, after reading that post I felt the need to point out that not all Americans feel the need to respond to suggestions (or even criticism) by insulting the asker's homeland and acting like being American somehow makes us "above" such people and their remarks.
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And what about the will of the people? My parish voted it down because we're a very family oriented area and don't want casinos and video poker in our area. If people want to gamble around here, they can drive 15 minutes across the parish line or 20 across the state line and do so.
Yes, the will of the people to suppress the rest with their moral values.

The gamblers in your area are lucky, others have to drive for several hours.
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Well I don't see how it could be inaccurate since it didn't actually state anything except possibly that Denmark is a "piss-ant country" and that the US is "the greatest naiton on Earth", both of which mean almost nothing without context and, regardless, are entirely matters of opinion.

I'm thrilled that hairball approves of the US and its illustrious Constitution (I'm rather fond of them myself) but I'm annoyed at continually seeing my countrymen needlessly insult other nations and go on about how "great" we Americans are. Such pointless braggadocio only makes enemies and causes people to view Americans as stuck-up, ignorant bores.

Anyway, after reading that post I felt the need to point out that not all Americans feel the need to respond to suggestions (or even criticism) by insulting the asker's homeland and acting like being American somehow makes us "above" such people and their remarks.
I was referring to this statement. Read the bold text and it puts it in an better, and certainly accurate, context:

Seriously, who is someone from some piss-ant country like Denmark to tell the greatest nation on Earth that we are the ones who need to change our constitution?

I certainly don't want someone from Denmark (or anywhere else, for that matter) suggesting that we should change our Constitution...
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That was rather arrogant, insulting and entirely uncalled for.
Agreeed, everyone (ANYONE) has a right to an opinion. Not just irrational people like him.
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I was referring to this statement. Read the bold text and it puts it in an better, and certainly accurate, context:

Seriously, who is someone from some piss-ant country like Denmark to tell the greatest nation on Earth that we are the ones who need to change our constitution?

I certainly don't want someone from Denmark (or anywhere else, for that matter) suggesting that we should change our Constitution...
Well, I think the bolded version you provided is certainly much more civil. I wouldn't really have had a problem with that.

However, I don't think Wallaroo was intending to somehow dictate national policy to Americans; that would be silly.

I think he was just offering a suggestion, something I have no problem with. Suggestions, questions, comments and constructive criticism should always be welcome. As it happens, I think that most Americans are disinclined to embraced Wallaroo's suggestion (for a number of good reasons, IMO), which is also fine. If nothing else, it makes for intersting discussion. Or it would if people didn't get all arrogant and insulting.
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What particular state law do you think should be applied in every state that isn't already?

I mean all states have laws against murder, robbery, rape etc.
And why not have the same courtroom procedures and punishments for all these crimes like other countries have?
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Also, if our country's enemies took over the legislature in one state such as the Soviet Socialist Republic of California, do you think they should be able to dictate their foreign laws on the rest of the country?
Cold war paranoia.

They would have to control the whole country with their military in the first place.
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Re: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?

Meanwhile back to the OP,

I think it might be better is we had all CRIMINAL Laws national, together with regulatory rules necessary to provide equal rights nation-wide. That would leave local laws which were viable only to the locale being regulated.
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Meanwhile back to the OP,

I think it might be better is we had all CRIMINAL Laws national, together with regulatory rules necessary to provide equal rights nation-wide. That would leave local laws which were viable only to the locale being regulated.
But aren't some things illegal in some states but legal in others? How would that be resolved?
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Well notice reason three said states rights (probably the most important one). I just didn't elaborate because other people mentioned it already and it is probably going to brought up more.

Just out of curiosity Wallaroo are you actually criticizing our legal system or just asking what the reasoning behind it is?
Yes I am as a matter fact, I think its a stinking mess compared to what we have.

Your legal system gives random punishments for the same crimes and seems to be focusing more on who and what you are, instead of what you have done. Everyone who believes in justice and in treating people equally should despise that.
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Yes I am as a matter fact, I think its a stinking mess compared to what we have.

Your legal system gives random punishments for the same crimes and seems to be focusing more on who and what you are, instead of what you have done. Everyone who believes in justice and in treating people equally should despise that.
How does it focus on "who and what you are"?
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Seriously, who is someone from some piss-ant country like Denmark to tell the greatest nation on Earth that we are the ones who need to change our constitution?
And why the hell not? Get over your false pride!
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Yes I am as a matter fact, I think its a stinking mess compared to what we have.

Your legal system gives random punishments for the same crimes and seems to be focusing more on who and what you are, instead of what you have done. Everyone who believes in justice and in treating people equally should despise that.
Why is it not important to know who the person is? If you make it an automatic, impersonal process it is not treating people equally. If a person who is down on their luck steals from a grocery store and are caught do they deserve the same punishment as a person who steals from a store in order to pawn the merchandise for drug or alcohol money? Depending on the amount stolen those are either shoplifting or petit larceny, but those people do not deserve the same punishment for their crime. That is why it is important to understand a person's character in determining how they should be punished if found guilty.
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Yes I am as a matter fact, I think its a stinking mess compared to what we have.

Your legal system gives random punishments for the same crimes and seems to be focusing more on who and what you are, instead of what you have done. Everyone who believes in justice and in treating people equally should despise that.
I would like to know how we focus "more on who and what you are"?

Really this whole issue is about federalism. I ask this question: who says the federal governments universal punishment will be any better or fair than the state punishments? If you can't prove it would be better beyond a doubt than i say why change what works fine now. You don't see many Americans complaining about how the system works.

And last states have a degree of sovereignty. They have a right to hold a trial and punish a person within their boundaries. Why involve the federal government if the state can handle their own people just as well?
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I simply cannot see any logic in having different criminal laws in one country, no matter what the constitution says.
You obviously do not understand our constitution then. It is a compact between sovereign states that establishes agents of the parties involved; it is NOT an agreement that delegates the power of states to national organizations.

As Jefferson says: “The true barriers of our liberty in this country are our state governments, and the wisest conservative power ever contrived by man is that of which our Revolution and present government found us possessed. Distinct states, amalgamated into one as to their foreign concerns, but single and independent as to their internal administration.”

That quote comes from this testimony of 1978, I recommend that you read this man’s words. He is a Constitutional attorney, apparently, and as far as I can tell, knows what he is talking about. [Regional Governance | T. David Horton Testimony on Regionalism].

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Why stop at the laws?
why stop at the state level?
Why should each individual city and town and district and county have it's own schools, it's own police and fire departments?
If you look at the "Public Sector" as a whole, it could be reorganized in a way that would provide services superior to what is provided now, for substantially less money.
Why? Because it would be a breach of the constitution, of course. The federal government is the agent of the state government, who is the principal. If a state wants to withdraw from the compact called the US Constitution in order to establish a centralized bureaucracy to manage the public sector—a Ministry of Plenty, if you will—then the state legislature has that power, just as a principal is free to dismiss its agent. Of course, we would most likely see a federal occupation of the territory.
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