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View Poll Results: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?
Yes 5 10.20%
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Old 11-27-2006
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Re: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?

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Hey, why not?

That's what we're doing in Iraq, isn't it?
That was a good one.
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One large superstate with 50 provinces that have their own civil laws. Apparently a nightmare for most Americans.
Meaning that the constitution is stuck in itself.
It is a nightmare for many Americans. Centralization does not make things more fair and efficient, it in fact does the exact opposite and years of the federal government attempting to overstep its constitutional bounds has proven this. Historically the states had a great deal of autonomy and as the federal government has assumed more responsibilities from the states it has become less effective and more inefficient.

The federal government simply cannot look after 300 million people. It would be stupid of us to force it to do so. If we look throughout history governments that try to control everything from a central authority are bound to fail (Rome and the USSR come to mind). Government must remain a personal process or else it will become self defeating. Perhaps this is harder to see from the standpoint of living in a country with smaller geographic region and a non diverse ethnic culture, but in a country in which the different geographic regions are like different countries in the cultural sense, a central power will not be able to represent the people in a day to day basis.
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The attorney's words may alter your wording of complete incredulity. From that man's opinions, the federal government is already in the process of usurping the soveriegnty of states.
"From that man's opinions"


Well, crap. That's it! You are right. It's a done deal! it's over, dude. The US is tossing out its constitution tomorrow, the states are having all their rights taken away...AND THEY LIKE IT!!!!

After all, who is anyone to disagree with "that man's opinions?"

/chuckle

That "man" is far from representing every state in our Union...far from representing our legislators in every state in the Union....far from representing PUBLIC OPINION.

I honestly do not say things like this often, but this one merits it....truly it does:

If you believe that the US is going to create a new constitution foregoing states' rights....you have lost all sense of reality.
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Re: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?

Would you just read the link instead of vehemently opposing my posts as if I'm a lunatic (which you basically say)? You seem offended by the mere suggestion.

Yes, I said "from that man's opinions." So? From my standpoint, he happens to have a very educated and reasonable opinion. You apparently have not even read his words and are dismissing them as impossible. Certainly, things have changed since his time, but know that there are those in government who wish to change the current makeup of the United States. A new constitution, one establishing the "Newstates of America," has been drafted many years ago by Rexford Tugwell, who was a member of FDR's socialist "Brain Trust," which orchestrated the New Deal.

Listen. I am NOT saying that the United States is definitely going to fundamentally change in the next few years, decades, or even this century. I am saying that not every American is content with the current constitution and that there are those with influence, power, and a will to change the governmental setup of this country. Public opinion is fluid, obviously, and who knows what people will want in 2100? Where will this war on terrorism have taken us? What sort of victories and defeats will have hit home? Our US Constitution is hold and durable, and I have no desire to see it torn apart. I just don't feel the same confidence as you that the constitution will survive forever.
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Well when i say semi-sovereign i mean that they can't conduct diplomacy with foreign countries and the like.
I see. That's a reasonable definition.
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A rather strange comparison wouldn't you say?

Basically people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they don't bother other people. You don't bother other people by gambling, but I somehow think you do by killing them.
It is a far fetched comparison, but that was the idea. I wanted to show that, while laws restricting gambling is about morality, so can every criminal law be said to be. I made a comparison with murder, because these days, this is something most people across the world tend to agree should be criminal, whomever is killed.

By the way, you can bother others by gambling.
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Re: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?

Im not from teh US, but i say No
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We could start with California's gun control laws - which carry CRIMINAL penalties, not civil, for perfectly innocent actions which wouldnt even make people blink in the rest of the nation, let alone get someone arrested.

Need more?
And people in California on the other hand, might have some liberties that you would like.
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And people in California on the other hand, might have some liberties that you would like.
And the beauty of the current system is, if we want to, we can move to California (or out of it, depending on your test) without resorting to international travel.
Or, we could just campaign to have laws changed in our state; a much easier task than trying to get them changed nationally.
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Re: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?

While standardization is generally a good thing, the US is too diverse to Federalize all laws. You have population-dense New England and empty Montana, semi-tropical Hawaii and semi-polar Alaska, socialist California and libertarian Vermont, and all the variations in between. Trying to apply one-size-fits-all laws across such a landscape is a recipe for social unrest and possibly even civil war.
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By making judgements of how to impose punishment, based on a person's situation (however good or bad it might be), you're not treating anyone fairly and equally, which should be the goal of the criminal justice system.

When you start to look at an individual's specific predicament, and make value judgements, justice is no longer blind. Justice must be blind to be effective and fair...
Exactly, I couldn't agree more!

The sentences given by your judicial system seems to be like the wind blows. Some people get community service for things that others get several years of hard time for. I even heard of people that were convicted of first degree murder being out on the street after 7 years, when others get the death penalty. Now people who think that's a fair judicial system must be nuts.
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Re: Should all criminal laws in the U.S. be federal?

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And people in California on the other hand, might have some liberties that you would like.
No - they dont.
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No - they dont.

Exactamundo.
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Exactamundo.
Funny thing i've noticed about California...they cannot understand why someone would NOT want to live there, and why other states do not want to be just like them...

Come to think of it...thats basically the leftist viewpoint; i.e.: There's something wrong with you if you dont want to be just like us.

Contrast this with other states (and political ideologies) which seem to have the attitude of "Hey - not my cup of tea, but if it makes you happy, go for it".

And yet those of us in fly-over-country are somehow the backwards, intolerant ones....
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Exactamundo.
Excellent.

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