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3.14 · #31 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Where did people get this disturbing idea that any form of individual retribution is "vigilante jusitce" and somehow wrong?

Was the state somehow granted sole power to address crime?

Yes it is revenge. So what? It is also justice, and a parents duty.

You hurt my child, you had better pray the police find you first. Its really that simple. You can call that whatever you want, but good luck finding a jury on the planet who would find a parent guilty for ANYTHING they chose to do to the child molester who hurt his kid.

I am sorry for your experiences and that your parents didnt have the decency to put a swift and violent end to the predator who caused you to have them. On the other hand, perhaps if people were less likely to rely upon an overworked, underpaid, uninvolved police department to resolve their issues for them, we would have the crime we have today.

The argument for actively protecting your kid is perfectly fine, however, if someone harms your kid while your gone, or away, or whatever, then the logical response is to go to the police - not take the law into your own hands and pursue the person yourself. That would lead to a state of anarchy. After all, the cops do serve some purpose. Now if the cops didnt help, then that would be another story but in a country like the US, I highly doubt this would be the case. It's a similar parallel to the other case your discussing - if someone breaks into your house and your there, then yes you protect yourself using any means, but if your gone and someone robs you, then you'd probably inform the police.

Further, why does the end have to be violent for the predator? I think they should be locked up for life, but I don't think the end should be "swift and violent", as your saying.

Last, if people relied solely upon vigilante justice, then society would be in a state of anarchy!

doniston · #32 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007

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Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,

What do you define as the difference? I always considered pedophile the correct terminology for someone who has sex with children.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

A pediphile may have a leaning towards children without taking any kind of action. whereas the other two are action orientated. Checkyour dictionary.

proUSA · #33 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007

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Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,

I would offer you this counter argument.

How would your kids think about it? Would they rather have their father at home helping them heal or sitting in prison where they could never see him again. If you could find the person then you could report the person ahd have them punished by the authorities. All you would be doing is indulging in revenge and taking yourself away from the people who need you.

Vigilante justice is not justice, its revenge.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Valid point but, I'd still do it......I'd have too, not only for my own kids but for the kids that this type of individual would no doubt rape again.

Diuretic · #34 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

I would argue if people were less inclined to simply pass the buck for dealing with the criminal to the state, and took matters into their own hands - as they did for thousands of years until VERY recently in human history - the problem would be much smaller than it is.

Well that isn't going to happen is it? You and I, you in Texas and me in South Australia, both live in a society of laws. Like it or not that's the way it is. I mean I'm all for the concept of the state withering away, of a pure anarchy, but it's not going to happen any time soon.

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

I see two kinds of responses really to how to deal with child molesters; the responses of those who love children and those who dont. Few who love them would advocate kindness towards the perpetrator.

I don't see anyone advocating "kindness". Treatment, yes, kindness, no.

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

It takes a pretty sick mind, IMNSHO, to give two shits about what a child molester might think.

So you'd dismantle any programmes that researched how these people think so that we could prevent any more victims?

Diuretic · #35 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

In Denmark we have special prison sections reserved for rapists and pedophiles.

A long prison sentence in isolation from the rest of the inmates followed up by a medical castration would be the most rationel IMHO.

I'd prefer to keep them inside because chemical castration doesn't always work. So if they're inside they don't get to do it again.

EricOKC · #36 (**permalink**) 02-02-2007

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Originally Posted by Diuretic

Well that isn't going to happen is it? You and I, you in Texas and me in South Australia, both live in a society of laws. Like it or not that's the way it is. I mean I'm all for the concept of the state withering away, of a pure anarchy, but it's not going to happen any time soon.

As i said before - there isnt a jury in the world which would convict a parent for anything he did to a person who molested his child. To a degree, that is saying that society supports those actions. Why is that kind of thing not acceptable as part of the law?

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Originally Posted by Diuretic

I don't see anyone advocating "kindness". Treatment, yes, kindness, no.

Treatment IS kindness.

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Originally Posted by Diuretic

So you'd dismantle any programmes that researched how these people think so that we could prevent any more victims?

Yep - and dismantle the fibers holding these people's body's together....slowly....

EricOKC · #37 (**permalink**) 02-02-2007

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Originally Posted by Diuretic

I'd prefer to keep them inside because chemical castration doesn't always work. So if they're inside they don't get to do it again.

I would also prefer to keep them inside...

...inside a 6'x6'x3' room .... in the ground

Diuretic · #38 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

As i said before - there isnt a jury in the world which would convict a parent for anything he did to a person who molested his child. To a degree, that is saying that society supports those actions. Why is that kind of thing not acceptable as part of the law?

Hmmm, depends on what was done. It also depends on the direction of the judge. I wouldn't use a blanket statement like that.

Why it's not acceptable as part of the law is that the state has the monopoly over the use of force. Aside from the criminal charges that would apply there's also the issue of civil action.

Treatment IS kindness.

Yep - and dismantle the fibers holding these people's body's together....slowly....[/quote]

No it's not kindness, it's got no moral shading at all, it's a clinical process, like setting a broken leg.

public · #39 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by reino

I know people say that a lot, but how true is it really? I mean the parents don't often hunt down the assualter and kill him/her. It's not that common.

EDIT: Changed murder to kill.

I think responsibility to other family members and closure are the main reasons this doesn't happen. If both are not a concern neither is capitol punishment if it goes that far.

Diuretic · #40 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

Good point.

CDavidNeely · #41 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

Greetings and Felicitations,

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

I am sorry for your experiences and that your parents didnt have the decency to put a swift and violent end to the predator who caused you to have them. On the other hand, perhaps if people were less likely to rely upon an overworked, underpaid, uninvolved police department to resolve their issues for them, we would have the crime we have today.

It would have been difficult for them to seek swift and violent justice to the perpetrator since the perpetrator was my father. This is why I learned that revenge has its limitations and very often has negative results. Looking within myself to justify my need for revenge would have destroyed the person I choose to be.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

EricOKC · #42 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,

It would have been difficult for them to seek swift and violent justice to the perpetrator since the perpetrator was my father. This is why I learned that revenge has its limitations and very often has negative results. Looking within myself to justify my need for revenge would have destroyed the person I choose to be.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

In that case, i have all the more pity for you as your father, instead of being the loving protector he was supposed to be, was the one who harmed you. Knowing that, i can understand why you may see things the way you do.

As the father of a wonderful little girl, i can promise you, and assure you, if anyone ever causes her that kind of harm, he had better hope and pray the cops or God gets to him first. My daughter will be taught the object lesson that NOBODY harms her without answering to me. A child should be able to take for granted that his or her parents will protect them.

Truthbetold · #43 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

I go with life in prison in a cell with bubba. Turn this --> o into this --> O

Death would be a bit too much because the penalty would be the same as murder. Someone posted earlier "why not just murder the child to get rid of any witnesses."

I think its pretty well established that once get out they do the same thing again. I just don't believe these monsters can be rehabilitated.

solletica · #44 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,

After reading several post in relation to this matter I wanted to post the question: What do you consider a legally acceptable form of punishment for pedophiles? It is a common tactic to consider other criminal sex offenders as equivalent to pedophiles.I would like to focus this question on child molesters.

As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse I find myself at odds. I do not believe in the death penalty so I cannot condone killing such people. However, I do not think that pedophiles are curable considering our current treatment methods. I have no problem with long term confinement and tracking because they need to be kept away from their chosen victims. What is an acceptable prison term for such crimes. There are many parts of Jessica's Law that I find acceptable. With one notable exception -- tacking prison terms on top of prison terms. How many times can you sentence someone to life in prison with seeeming like an idiot.

Please keep in mind that I do not agree with releasing them into GP because that is nothing more than a death sentence with the objective of keeping your hands clean.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

P.S. I thought the Judicial area was the best choice for this question but it may need moved.

First of all, pedophilia itself should not be punished.

Pedophilia is simply sexual attraction to very young children; it doesn't necessarily imply being a child molester (although many are). Furthermore, just as not all pedophiles are child molesters, not all child molesters are pedophiles.

There is no ideal punishment for sex offenders, although making the perpetrators suffer the kind of abuse they doled out to their victims is a start. It offers just compensation for the victim and provides a reasonable deterrent, as well as effectively teaches the offender about the nature of his/her crime.

Beyond that, rehabbing a sex offender is very difficult; not all child molesters molest kids for the exact same reason, although there may have certain common psychological traits.

FYI, most child molesters have been sexually abused as kids themselves (as you were).

solletica · #45 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,

It would have been difficult for them to seek swift and violent justice to the perpetrator since the perpetrator was my father. This is why I learned that revenge has its limitations and very often has negative results. Looking within myself to justify my need for revenge would have destroyed the person I choose to be.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Revenge in this case would have a positive result. You should tell your dad that he's a piece of crap and treat him as such for the rest of your life.

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