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Old 03-14-2007
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

alot of threads on all of this , seems to me its just another dem flavor of the month issue

both parties have done this but its good to see our law makers waste fucking time grandstanding on a issue like this
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Actually, the new clinton FPs were not confirmed by a Republican controlled Senate, they were confirmed by the then Democrat controlled Senate.

And the manner of appointing new FPs to replace outgoing ones has nothing to do with the ages old right of a President to fire them.
You may be correct on this, I don't have the dates of the firings, I'll try to look them up later.

I didn't say the president don't have the right to fire the FPs, I just said it looks
alittle odd to do so in the last two years and after the right of the Senate to confirm them was removed.
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Only thing is, only like one or two attorneys have ever been fired in the middle of a term by the prez who appointed them before. And never 7 in one day. And never for political reasons. This is unprecedented.
Complete unadulterated partisan drivel. Thank you for providing an example of this;

Now for anyone who's actually interested in the truth here it is;

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3-2.120 Appointment

United States Attorneys are appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate for a four-year term. See 28 U.S.C. Sec. 541. Upon expiration of this term, the United States Attorney continues to perform the duties of the office until a successor is confirmed. United States Attorneys are subject to removal at the will of the President. See Parsons v. United States, 167 U.S. 314 (1897).
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia...sa.htm#3-2.120

Seems to me we have the rabid liberal loonies pandering for another 'bush broke the law' story. Liberals are sick twisted individuals.

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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Only thing is, only like one or two attorneys have ever been fired in the middle of a term by the prez who appointed them before. And never 7 in one day. And never for political reasons. This is unprecedented.
What political reasons would those be? Sounds to me like each and every one was terminated for cause. Furthermore, it is no more "unprecedented" then the dismisal of EVERY FP for political reasons (i.e., delaying the indictment of much-needed House ally Dan Rostenkowski).
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

hahahahaha what a load..you'll take stab at the most twisted logic you can to make clinton look rosey and bush darth vader.....you really didn't mean this right? this is toungue in cheek? you're making yourself look follish...sorry but please...this is to much even for you.
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

Little_Acorn: I'm here to show the whole world and God just exactly how DUMB you are. "Current Situation Is Distinct From Clinton Firings of US Attrorneys"

Now sit down and shut up.
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Re: Firing US attorneys has been done before. Clinton fired all (except one)

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A president appoints US Attorneys for four years, after which time they offer their resignation. At least that's the way it worked until Clinton was elected and some of the US attorneys appointed by Bush simply refused to resign.
That's the unprecedented part, US Attorneys had always offered an incoming president a letter of resignation, so he wouldn't have to fire them, he could either accept or refuse their offer to resign.
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At the time, President Clinton presented the move as something perfectly ordinary: "All those people are routinely replaced," he told reporters, "and I have not done anything differently." In fact, the dismissals were unprecedented: Previous Presidents, including Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, had both retained holdovers from the previous Administration and only replaced them gradually as their tenures expired.
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I remember the big deal this was back when klinton fired all of them. In fact, it was this single move that got me to start distrusting him.


By the way, another poster in another thread posted this excellent piece of information:
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3-2.120 Appointment


United States Attorneys are appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate for a four-year term. See 28 U.S.C. Sec. 541. Upon expiration of this term, the United States Attorney continues to perform the duties of the office until a successor is confirmed. United States Attorneys are subject to removal at the will of the President. See Parsons v. United States, 167 U.S. 314 (1897).
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

Little-Acorn: I'm doing this just because I purely LOOOOVE pointing out how stupid mindless Clinton-bashing is. Read it and weep. "Current Situation Is Distinct From Clinton Firing of US Attorneys"

Now sit down and shut up. This is only--what?---the THIRD thread you've introduced about this non-issue?
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Little_Acorn: I'm here to show the whole world and God just exactly how DUMB you are. "Current Situation Is Distinct From Clinton Firings of US Attrorneys"

Now sit down and shut up.
Only one problem, it is a distinction without a difference, and it is factually in error. Prior to Clinton there were never mass firings, most were allowed to fill out their terms, and new administrations merely refrained from reappointing them. Clinton took the entirely unprecedented step of simultaneously firing ALL of them. Bush's actions are no more "unprecedented" than Clinton's.

The question then becomes which is more onerous, the volume, or the timing? I would argue that if there is nothing wrong with mass firings in principle (as the Clinton defenders would have us believe), what difference does it make WHEN a President chooses to exercise their right as the head of the Executive branch to do so?
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Re: Firing US attorneys has been done before. Clinton fired all (except one)

You guys really are stupid. And desperate. Here's the scoop, porcupine; read it and weep. "Current Situation is Distinct From Clinton Firings of US Attorneys."

Now sit down and shut up...
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Re: Firing US attorneys has been done before. Clinton fired all (except one)

Now that this scandal has reached up into the White House, and papers from coast to coast are calling for Gonzales' tainted scalp, the cheap-labor Republicans are frantic to try and distract people from the illegality, the treachery and the political motivation of these eight attorney firings.

Don't believe the hype...
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Re: Firing US attorneys has been done before. Clinton fired all (except one)

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You guys really are stupid. And desperate. Here's the scoop, porcupine; read it and weep. "Current Situation is Distinct From Clinton Firings of US Attorneys."

Now sit down and shut up...
im still standing and i wont shut up
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

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hahahahaha what a load..you'll take stab at the most twisted logic you can to make clinton look rosey and bush darth vader.....you really didn't mean this right? this is toungue in cheek? you're making yourself look follish...sorry but please...this is to much even for you.
Do you have a comment on any part of what I said or are you just here to mock and make YOURSELF look foolish.
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

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Little-Acorn: I'm doing this just because I purely LOOOOVE pointing out how stupid mindless Clinton-bashing is. Read it and weep. "Current Situation Is Distinct From Clinton Firing of US Attorneys"

Now sit down and shut up. This is only--what?---the THIRD thread you've introduced about this non-issue?
Hopefully Imperator will read your link and learn about how it works so he can understand what is happening instead of lazily mocking posts he doesn't understand.
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Only one problem, it is a distinction without a difference, and it is factually in error. Prior to Clinton there were never mass firings, most were allowed to fill out their terms, and new administrations merely refrained from reappointing them. Clinton took the entirely unprecedented step of simultaneously firing ALL of them. Bush's actions are no more "unprecedented" than Clinton's.

The question then becomes which is more onerous, the volume, or the timing? I would argue that if there is nothing wrong with mass firings in principle (as the Clinton defenders would have us believe), what difference does it make WHEN a President chooses to exercise their right as the head of the Executive branch to do so?
Prior to Clinton the attorneys never refused to hand in their resignations as 200 years of tradition has had them do.
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