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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

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Now sit down and shut up. This is only--what?---the THIRD thread you've introduced about this non-issue?
Please do not tell other posters to "shut up". He has every bit as much right to post as you have.

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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

Marcus 1124: Please provide me with a link as I did. Your mere opinion is insufficient. And, as a matter of fact, BOTH Ronald Ray-Gun and Daddybush cleaned house in the same fashion...by sacking ALL the US attorneys.

You are BADLY misinformed...

Furthermore, if this is no big deal--as you are clearly trying to claim--then why are newspapers from coast to coast howling for Gonzales' tainted scalp?

No propaganda today, thank you very much...
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

US Attorney's serve at the pleasure of the President, correct?

If so, then I don't see a problem with what happened in '93, and I don't see a problem with the current situation. The President doesn't really need a reason to fire them...
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

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US Attorney's serve at the pleasure of the President, correct?

If so, then I don't see a problem with what happened in '93, and I don't see a problem with the current situation. The President doesn't really need a reason to fire them...
But he shouldn't be firing them because they are not cowtowing to Republican pressure to indict Democrats.

Can't all these threads be merged so we can keep up with all the different posts?
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But he shouldn't be firing them because they are not cowtowing to Republican pressure to indict Democrats.
Well, that's your opinion.

However, if they serve at the pleasure of the President, then the President can fire them, at any time, for any reason whatsoever.

You may not like it, but it doesn't mean that some horrific wrong has been committed...
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

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Well, that's your opinion.

However, if they serve at the pleasure of the President, then the President can fire them, at any time, for any reason whatsoever.

You may not like it, but it doesn't mean that some horrific wrong has been committed...
Actually, that's not quite true. They can be fired for any reason or no reason at all, but not for an illegal reason.
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Actually, that's not quite true. They can be fired for any reason or no reason at all, but not for an illegal reason.
Are you citing a reason that's actually illegal, or a reason you wish was illegal?

Speficially, what offense has been committed, from a legal standpoint?
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

The answer is in another one of these threads. It's to hard to remember which one, out of the 5 or so we have going right now.
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

Ah here it is:

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/judi...alty-bush.html

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The message, from William K. Kelley of the White House counsel’s office to D. Kyle Sampson, the chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, put in motion a plan to fire United States attorneys that had been hatched 22 months earlier by Ms. Miers. Three days later, the seven prosecutors were summarily dismissed. An eighth had been forced out in the summer.

In rating the prosecutors, Mr. Sampson factored in whether they “exhibited loyalty to the president and attorney general,” according to documents released by the Justice Department.
I don't think it's legal to fire them for not being loyal enough.
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Ah here it is:

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I don't think it's legal to fire them for not being loyal enough.
Bingo!
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I don't think it's legal to fire them for not being loyal enough.
Interesting...

If a US Attorney were to begin to publicly denounce things being done by the administration, and felt compelled to share his displeasure with the President (Democrat or Republican), would that be grounds for removal?

None of that is illegal, yet it certainly suggests disloyalty towards the President.

You say you don't "think" it's legal to fire them. Do you know for sure? Do you care enough about the issue (it appears as though you do) to research it?

The phrase "at the pleasure of the President" means just that. It means he does not have to justify why he fires someone, and he can fire anyone he wants for any reason he wants.

Frankly, I think disloyalty would be near the top of the list of reasons to fire someone...
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Prior to Clinton the attorneys never refused to hand in their resignations as 200 years of tradition has had them do.
Tradition, though, is not legally binding...
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Interesting...

If a US Attorney were to begin to publicly denounce things being done by the administration, and felt compelled to share his displeasure with the President (Democrat or Republican), would that be grounds for removal?

None of that is illegal, yet it certainly suggests disloyalty towards the President.

You say you don't "think" it's legal to fire them. Do you know for sure? Do you care enough about the issue (it appears as though you do) to research it?

The phrase "at the pleasure of the President" means just that. It means he does not have to justify why he fires someone, and he can fire anyone he wants for any reason he wants.

Frankly, I think disloyalty would be near the top of the list of reasons to fire someone...
Oh please. First. Your analogy is false because none of the AG's publicly denounced Bush. They just refused to allow their responsibilities to be used to help in the elections. That isn't their job and it isn't legal for politicians to ask for grand jury information which is sealed.
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Oh please. First. Your analogy is false because none of the AG's publicly denounced Bush.
I wasn't making an analogy. I was merely presenting a hypothetical scenario to get opinions on.

My scenario has nothing to do with the current situation.

So, would the scenario I presented be grounds for dismissal?
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Tradition, though, is not legally binding...

But it gave a good basis for the firings, no?
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