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Old 03-14-2007
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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But it gave a good basis for the firings, no?
The issue isn't about firing supposedly politicaly nuetral attorneys who refuse to expedite cases motivated by political concerns - it's about lying to congress under oath.

Let me see - another on the list of Ok Activities for Repubs only.

Next question - how and why is it best for Americans to have political party affiliation be a strong force in the justice department?
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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Tradition, though, is not legally binding...
No, but since the attorney's broke tradition, that explains why Clinton fired them instead of accepting their resignations as traditional.

Bush/Gonzales has yet to explain why he fired these 8 attorneys...but as one of the other of 5 threads on this topic says:

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“Bold=Recommend retaining; strong U.S. Attorneys who have produced, managed well, and exhibited loyalty to the president and attorney general,” the e-mail message from Mr. Sampson said. “Strikeout=Recommend removing; weak U.S. Attorneys who had been ineffectual managers and prosecutors, chafed against administration initiatives, etc.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/wa...ewanted=1&_r=1

Sampson is the guy that stepped down. Gonzales's chief of staff.
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

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hahahahaha what a load..you'll take stab at the most twisted logic you can to make clinton look rosey and bush darth vader.....you really didn't mean this right? this is toungue in cheek? you're making yourself look follish...sorry but please...this is to much even for you.

And your proof is?

Your reasoned argument?

Anything except invective to add to the assessment?
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US Attorney's serve at the pleasure of the President, correct?

If so, then I don't see a problem with what happened in '93, and I don't see a problem with the current situation. The President doesn't really need a reason to fire them...
The problem is that Gonzalez was caught lying to Congress - but the repubs are spinning and the media is buying. Bush could fire them for any or no reason. As it happens they were fired for purely partisan reasons. Now, if only Gonzalez would have been willing to admit that it was a failed attempt score a needed coup for the repubs that got these guys fired - provided the memos between harriet Miers and Karl Rowe about firing them, then there would be no scandal.

Lying under oath - I believe current conservative standards allow that for republicans.
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Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elders?

And Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S. attorneys back when Bill Clinton was president. And NOT ONE!!! Democrat lashed out on him!!! And When Joycelyn Elders was Fired by White house Chief of Staff Leon Panetta for that 1994 election NBC,CBS,ABC And Nor CNN reported this.And Get this NOT ONE MEMBER Of the press asked Hillary Clinton about her husbands actions when Janet Reno fired 93 US attorneys when he was president. It seems the liberal media is a double standard.Liberal Media thinks BILL CLINTON IS A SAINT AND CAN DO NO WRONG!And Democrats Want Alberto Gonzales to Resign? Why didnt they speak out against Janet Reno? Back in 1998 when she fired 93 U.S. attorneys?
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Re: Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elder

Why were they fired?
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Re: Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elder

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Re: Nets ignore Clinton firing 93 US Attys, fret over Bush's 8

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Bush/Gonzales has yet to explain why he fired these 8 attorneys...
And here's the thing: they don't have to...
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Re: Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys

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The problem is that Gonzalez was caught lying to Congress - but the repubs are spinning and the media is buying. Bush could fire them for any or no reason. As it happens they were fired for purely partisan reasons. Now, if only Gonzalez would have been willing to admit that it was a failed attempt score a needed coup for the repubs that got these guys fired - provided the memos between harriet Miers and Karl Rowe about firing them, then there would be no scandal.

Lying under oath - I believe current conservative standards allow that for republicans.
How does Gonzalez lying affect the ability of the President to fire them, for any reason he wants?

You may not like it, and the whole situation may stink to high heaven, but the firings aren't "illegal"...
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Re: US Attorney firings (merged)

So what if Libby lied or if Gonzales lied or if Bush lied!

Clinton lied too!!!

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Re: Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elder

What Reno did, at the beginning of a new administration, is the same thing that other administrations have done, including Reagan and Bush II.

The recent firing of eight US Attorneys, is simply not the same thing, no matter how many times Bush apologists try to make it so. The circumstances are completely different, and in this case, there are some serious questions about the motives behind these firings, questions that deserve to be answered.
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Re: Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elder

It's not the same thing.

New presidents commonly replace federal judges all the time.

What makes this so unusual is that Bush:

1)replaced judges he appointed himself.
2)replaced them in their second terms, which is very odd.
3)replaced them after Republicans complained about them not going after Democrats after the last election.
4)replaced the judge who threw the book at Randall Cunningham.
5)replaced them just before that clause in the Patriot Act is about to be sunsetted, where a president can name his picks without the approval of the senate. It looks like the president will have to now get senate approval again, and Bush was going to beat out the clock and get some far-righties up there quick.
6)didn't have the Attorney General run this by the government beforehand, which made it look like they were covering something up.

This is much different because it sets a dangerous precedent since the passing of the Patriot Act. Alberto Gonzales might have to resign because of this. It looks like a blatant abuse of power.
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Re: Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elder

Gonzales LIED to congress. Under oath.

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GONZALES: And so let me publicly sort of preempt perhaps a question you’re going to ask me, and that is: I am fully committed, as the administration’s fully committed, to ensure that, with respect to every United States attorney position in this country, we will have a presidentially appointed, Senate-confirmed United States attorney.

Think Progress » Gonzales Lied Under Oath, Said All Bush-Appointed Attorneys Would Be ‘Senate-Confirmed’
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Re: Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elder

That is an extraordinarily weak basis for a claim he lied under oath.

They could, for instance, submit the attorneys to congress at a future date and be fully in line with his promise.

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Re: Remember Janet Reno Fired 93 U.S attorneys at & Leon Panetta Fired Joycelyn Elder

What a boring "scandal"...
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