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Steve · #**106** (**permalink**) 03-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Samantha

There's a fine line between lying and misleading. Both are wrong to do.

Yes, there certainly is, and Gonzalez walks that fine line well.

"Misleading" does not rise to the level of lying. It will no doubt piss you off if he's not chanrged with a crime, but I would be surprised if he were.

Does it seem like there's som shady shit going on in Washington? Sure it does. But none of it appears to involve Gonzalez lying under oath...

ViolaLee · #**107** (**permalink**) 03-15-2007

I dunno, even Republicans are saying Gonzales should go....

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Never mind that the scandal that plagues Gonzales involves the same sort of concerns about the politicization of the Department of Justice and the federal bureaucracy that ultimately forced Richard Nixon from office in the 1970s.

Never mind that even Republicans are saying the firing of U.S. attorneys who would not agree to launch pre-election prosecutions of Democrats has created "a crisis with the Justice Department" — to borrow a phrase from conservative Nevada Senator John Ensign — while Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee are beginning to echo the assessment of New York Senator Charles Schumer, who says that Gonzales has engaged in an "unprecedented breach of trust and abuse of power."

Gonzales has a blatant disregard for the Constitution. He doesn't think anyone but the President can remove him. He thinks he can authorize torture, fire attorneys that don't do the Republican's bidding and no one can stop him. He is the top law enforcer who is breaking the law.

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"I work for the American people and serve at the pleasure of the president," says Gonzales.

President Bush, the Attorney General argues, will decide whether he will continue to run the Justice Department.

Gonzales ought to peruse his Constitution a little more closely.

The Attorney General does serve at the pleasure of the president, who nominated him to serve in the position two years ago and who, according to initial White House statements, "has all the confidence in the world" in Gonzales.

But Gonzales occupies the venerable position of Attorney General because the Senate, which is empowered by the Constitution to provide the president with advice and consent regarding Cabinet picks, consented to his becoming the nation's chief law enforcement officer.

The Congress has the power to withdraw that consent via the process of impeachment.

If Gonzales refuses to do the honorable thing and resign of his own accord, and if Bush refuses to cause his appointee to surrender control of the Department of Justice, Congress is fully empowered to force the hand of the Attorney General.

The Constitution is clear on this point. "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors," reads Section 4 of Article 2.

Congress Must Force Gonzales Out, The Nation: If The Attorney General Won't Quit On His Own, Congress Should Impeach Him - CBS News

ViolaLee · #**108** (**permalink**) 03-15-2007

Even FOX thinks he should go.

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He's become Brownie; he's become Dubai ports; he's become Harriet Miers. He's become an enemy fire magnet and the president doesn't need any more enemy fire. He needs quiet and calm.

For all you people who say fight back you must realize one huge problem: Gonzales did, in fact, make a big mistake. He told the Senate Judiciary Committee — when it was controlled by Republicans — that he would bring any U.S. attorney nominee before them for confirmation. Then he got caught with a bunch of e-mails talking about how to avoid that. Mistake. Not huge, but big enough to give the Dems and the far lefties a hammer to pound on him and his boss.

FOXNews.com - Why Alberto Gonzales Should Go - John Gibson | Judge Napolitano | John Gibson | Big Story Weekend

Steve · #**109** (**permalink**) 03-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Samantha

I dunno, even Republicans are saying Gonzales should go

That's fine. But Republicans saying he should go does not equate to him doing anything illegal.

For the record, I think a bunch of people should go, including Gonzalez. I'm just not willing to offer falsehoods as a basis for my opinion...

Diuretic · #**110** (**permalink**) 03-16-2007

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Originally Posted by steveox

Read here
Feature Article September 1, 1997

Thanks for the link. That's the Bork that didn't make the US Supreme Court isn't it? Jeez was he cranky?!

Diuretic · #**111** (**permalink**) 03-16-2007

Gonzales should stick around..........the smell of the rotting carcass of the administration should be useful to the Dems in the run-up to 2008. Him quitting now would rob them of a great deal of political traction.

Gort · #**112** (**permalink**) 03-17-2007

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Originally Posted by Diuretic

Gonzales should stick around..........the smell of the rotting carcass of the administration should be useful to the Dems in the run-up to 2008. Him quitting now would rob them of a great deal of political traction.

Actually whether he stays or leaves the Dems are not going to be robbed of anyting in this regard. Bush and this administration have done more damage to the Repub party than perhaps even Nixon did. THis is why you hear people like Hannity and Limbaugh being so strident, even more than usual, these days. They are trying to lay off the Republican party problems on those not willing to stand up and fight for Bush. The truth is they are a minority these days even inside the Republican party. There will always be a coservative element to the party, but for the most part people who think like Hannity, Limbaugh, Bush, Delay, etal have been repudiated. They are just so arrogant they have realized it yet.

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