What's the big deal in firing 5 or so US attorneys when klinton's 1st act was to fire all the US attorneys (except one: Michael Chertoff).

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tics-headlines

And does anybody think it's rather odd that Chertoff wasn't fired and is now head of our security?

- Mark

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Is there a reason why you are starting another thread on this instead of replying to the one you have already posted in?

I think the mods have enough threads to follow. Fired U.S. Attorneys

As for your post, are you suggesting the Clinton kept Chertoff around so that Bush jr. could make him "head of our security"? I thought they (Bush and Clinton) were from seperate parties?

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I've been around since "Buy American" meant "Made in the USA".

The ol' Clinton did it first, eh?

United States Attorneys Mission Statement

Presidents - at least, Presidents of different parties - will appoint their own US Attorneys at the beginning of their term of office. Clinton did, as did Bush.

But once confirmed by the Senate, it's unusual for a President to remove a US Attorney from office, and until now, unheard of to remove 8 US Attorneys ... especially when 6 of the 8 had positive evaluations from the Justice Department.

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It's a bit different for Clinton to appoint all new attorneys, as all Presidents do when they take office, than for Bush to fire 8 of the ones he appointed to replace them with, in one case, a Rove croney. The others have testified that they believe they were fired for political reasons, such as not cow-towing to the republican's pressure to indict who the republicans want indicted.

This thread is dishonest, in accusing Clinton of firing US attorneys when he took office. The truth is, he, as all Presidents do, appointed new ones when he took office.

It should be merged with the thread on this subject, as Zedrow has pointed out.

Well, if you are referring to the Iglesias incident, Vigil was indicted (due to his crimes not pressure from Pete or Heather) and again, it seems that Pete was merely asking Mr. Iglesias for a time frame. I do not believe asking for a time frame is unethical.

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Lt. Gov Diane Denish on Bill Richardson "The governor, she said, "pinches my neck. He touches my hip, my thigh, sort of the side of my leg."

Mr Iglesias feels differently.

I hilighted a very important word for you. Sometimes people "feel" pressure when there is none. Just so you know (in case you are unaware of this case) this case was going on for almost 2 years and there was one mistrial, so I'm sure he was under alot of pressure and could have misinterpreted things.

Have you ever misinterpreted anything because of some stressful situation?

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Anyone ask Hillary what kind of underwear she wears, yet?

Lt. Gov Diane Denish on Bill Richardson "The governor, she said, "pinches my neck. He touches my hip, my thigh, sort of the side of my leg."

He and the other fired attorneys who testified felt the same way. They had good reviews and there was no real reason why they should have been fired.

Were any of them gay? Gays aren't protected in most states.

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I was hesitant to start a new one but then I thought if I did, more people would learn that past Presidents have fired US attorneys. If I said this in the middle of the post, most people probably would overlook it and keep talking as if Bush is doing something new and unusual.


I don't have a clue or any theories as to why he wasn't fired and is now head of security. I just find it interesting.

Kramer

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Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

Nope. I didn't say klinton did it first. In fact, I was looking to see if Reagan had did this and was going to post it as well if he did.


When klinton fired ALL the US attorneys (except Chertoff), that was called at the time an unprecedented move (which also means unusual).

Kramer

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“It's time to admit that public education operates like a planned economy, a bureaucratic system in which everybody's role is spelled out in advance and there are few incentives for innovation and productivity. It's no surprise that our school system doesn't improve; it more resembles the communist economy than our own market economy."
Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

Then your looking at this wrong. Bush will be appointing 6 to 8 new attorneys.

The LATimes link I posted says the following in the very first sentence:
How can this thread be dishonest? I think your being a little dishonest in saying that all Presidents appoint new attorneys when they take office. For them to do this, they have to first fire the ones that are already there working.
The point of this thread is to let people know that past Presidents have fired US attorneys and then appointed new ones. Regarding klinton, it was unusual for him to fire all of them as one of a new Presidents first acts of business. And it may turn out that its unusual for a sitting President 6 years in office to start firing US attorneys. Either way, its been done before and it'll problaby be done again.


Kramer

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Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

Dude. ALL PRESIDENTS GET RID OF THE OLD ATTORNEYS and appoint new ones when they take office.

BUSH DID THE SAME THING.

Your thread is dishonest. It is normal and not unusual to do this, as you are insisting. Stop embarressing yourself and learn about it before making threads based on bullshit.

Firing 8 US attorneys that he himself appointed is Bush doing something out of the ordinary.

A president appointing all new attorneys at the beginning of his term is normal.

Do I need to say it again or do you u n d e r s t a n d now?

Lets see if you u n d e r s t a n d (<- that spells 'understand') this:
source

And in case you don't know what u n p r e c e d e n t e d (<- that spells 'unprecedented') means, here is the definition:
unprecedented - adjective: never done or known before:

Conclusion: Your wrong. According to Newsmax, firing all us attorneys (excpet Chertoff) was never done before so your "ALL PRESIDENTS GET RID OF THE OLD ATTORNEYS and appoint new ones when they take office" appears to be the bulldemocrat.

Now given that Newmax is a conservative news source and you'd probably love to smack them down and show that the statement by Newsmax that an incoming President klinton firing all US attorneys is unprecedented in history is a lie, provide proof. If you can prove them wrong, not only will I have learned something, it would also make me question Newsmax as a source and in fact, I'd probably write them to tell them that this statement by them is factually wrong and that I will not so easily trust what I read from them in the future.

Kramer

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“It's time to admit that public education operates like a planned economy, a bureaucratic system in which everybody's role is spelled out in advance and there are few incentives for innovation and productivity. It's no surprise that our school system doesn't improve; it more resembles the communist economy than our own market economy."
Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

Well no wonder you are so confused. Newsmax is a horrible source for the truth.

Karl Rove just spoke on the issue. Do you believe him?

The Morning News: News : Rove defends firing of U.S. attorneys

I just watched it on PBS. He was speaking in Little Rock yesterday.

What is normally done is that a President appoints new attorneys when their 4year term limit ends. Every President does this when they take office.

It is not normal to fire them in the middle of their terms. Newsmax is lying to you.

What is different now than before the Bush admin is the Patriot Act which gave the Attorney General the authority to appoint attorneys without Senate approval.

It used to be:

But now the Senate has been taken out of the process. This is another one of Bush's constitutional violations of the seperation of powers.

The Alberto Gonzalez Appointments