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Re: Call for Gonzales to step down, sign the petition

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Why wasn't Hillary trying to get rid of him over the torture?

If he' so terrible why is she only working on this now? Could it be because there is partisan hash to be made?

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Can someone explain to me why it matters that these attorneys were fired? I'm not asking rhetorically - I'm serious. If they all serve at the discretion and will of the POTUS, what does it matter?
The attorneys are appointed to 4 year terms, 7 of the 8 got excellent job reviews, and yet they get fired, because they refused to use their office to smear Democratic candidates, and because they prosecuted corrupt Republicans.

That's not only what it looks like, but there are emails and memos that show that that was the reason. Probably no one will go to jail over this, because it's not so much a legal problem as a serious ethical one.

The Democrats will make it a huge political problem for the GOP, and that is exactly the right thing for them to do, in our system, the penalty for acting like this is paid at the polls.
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Is our judicial system one big partisan joke?
Well....yea.
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The attorneys are appointed to 4 year terms, 7 of the 8 got excellent job reviews, and yet they get fired, because they refused to use their office to smear Democratic candidates, and because they prosecuted corrupt Republicans.

That's not only what it looks like, but there are emails and memos that show that that was the reason. Probably no one will go to jail over this, because it's not so much a legal problem as a serious ethical one.

The Democrats will make it a huge political problem for the GOP, and that is exactly the right thing for them to do, in our system, the penalty for acting like this is paid at the polls.
Well, if that can happen, it seems to me that some reform of the appointment system is in order.
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Re: Call for Gonzales to step down, sign the petition

MY TWO CENTS.

No, I would "NOT" sign that petition,

even tho I am the Greatest basher of Bush and company this is something that is as far as I can see, perfectly legal, I would like to see him go too. but it is Bush that needs to go. Gonzalles is just the whipping boy in this case. It is perfectly reasonable for Hilary to attempt this, BUT ON HER OWN (as a senator) Not as a petitioner.

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Re: Call for Gonzales to step down, sign the petition

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Can someone explain to me why it matters that these attorneys were fired? I'm not asking rhetorically - I'm serious. If they all serve at the discretion and will of the POTUS, what does it matter?
you know that is my question on it

its partisan bs

no different than probably when clinton canned them

its the POTUS who can hire and fire them legally for any reason

dont see the deal other than its an election season and all the "points" each side can pile up might get them into the bonus round...........
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you know that is my question on it

its partisan bs

no different than probably when clinton canned them

its the POTUS who can hire and fire them legally for any reason

dont see the deal other than its an election season and all the "points" each side can pile up might get them into the bonus round...........
Perhaps if you read the threads on it you would learn why it is different. You obviously have closed your mind to seeing the truth. If you read the threads you will learn how Gonzales lied to congress about it. If you read the threads, you will learn that the attorneys were fired because they weren't loyal to republicans and Bush and have been prosecuting republicans and did not allow republicans to pressure them into prosecuting democrats for election news.

Don't you want to learn the truth?
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you are on ignore sam....i am gonna take a geuss you posted about me cause its becomeing a pattern when i return to a thread to have you under my post a few minutes later

let me geuss you went on a rant about that this is different and bush is bad

and i am bad for not seeing things your way or something catty like i am stupid , i served my country but it doesnt count cause i am not a democrat or what ever that partisan crap you rant about is


so basically im not listening anymore sam save bandwith
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Well then I shall paraphrase her responce.

Did you yell " Geronimo " before jumping?

No offense to the Native Americans.
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you are on ignore sam....i am gonna take a geuss you posted about me cause its becomeing a pattern when i return to a thread to have you under my post a few minutes later

let me geuss you went on a rant about that this is different and bush is bad

and i am bad for not seeing things your way or something catty like i am stupid , i served my country but it doesnt count cause i am not a democrat or what ever that partisan crap you rant about is


so basically im not listening anymore sam save bandwith
you're not guessing, you're clicking on the post to see what I said.

You can ignore my PMs where I try to make nice and you can pretend to ignore my posts, Rakk, it's OK. I'm fine with that. Just don't pretend you know what I'm posting about or pretend you aren't reading my posts. That's so dishonest.
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Re: Call for Gonzales to step down, sign the petition

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Well then I shall paraphrase her responce.

Did you yell " Geronimo " before jumping?

No offense to the Native Americans.
Nevermind him, he wants to bury his head in the sand and not learn about what's going on in the government. I wonder why he is on a political discussion board in the first place?

Maybe just to cheerlead the war?
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Re: Call for Gonzales to step down, sign the petition

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you know that is my question on it

its partisan bs

no different than probably when clinton canned them

its the POTUS who can hire and fire them legally for any reason

dont see the deal other than its an election season and all the "points" each side can pile up might get them into the bonus round...........
Well, I can see the ethical objection to firing prosecutors who don't toe the partisan line... but not the legal one, currently. Rather than complaining about the people who are acting legally and unethically, why not propose ideas for changing the law so that it lines up more with ethical concerns...?
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Re: Call for Gonzales to step down, sign the petition

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Well, I can see the ethical objection to firing prosecutors who don't toe the partisan line... but not the legal one, currently. Rather than complaining about the people who are acting legally and unethically, why not propose ideas for changing the law so that it lines up more with ethical concerns...?
agreed the system is set up IMO so that partisan bickering can ensue

and the POTUS can have ANY reason to fire someone

doesnt make sense but that seems to be part of our system also
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Well then I shall paraphrase her responce.

Did you yell " Geronimo " before jumping?

No offense to the Native Americans.
since i have her on ignore i dont want to read her response nor do i anymore dont need it paraphrased

but no i didnt yell geronimo when i jumped was never in the 508 PIR
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Re: Call for Gonzales to step down, sign the petition

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Well, I can see the ethical objection to firing prosecutors who don't toe the partisan line... but not the legal one, currently. Rather than complaining about the people who are acting legally and unethically, why not propose ideas for changing the law so that it lines up more with ethical concerns...?
Gonzales lied to under oath to congress.

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Gonzales Lied Under Oath, Said All Bush-Appointed Attorneys Would Be ‘Senate-Confirmed’
A little-noticed provision slipped into the Patriot Act in 2005 allows the President to appoint “interim” U.S. attorneys for an indefinite period of time, without Senate confirmation. On Jan. 18, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales assured the Senate Judiciary Committee that the administration never intended to take advantage of it:

GONZALES: And so let me publicly sort of preempt perhaps a question you’re going to ask me, and that is: I am fully committed, as the administration’s fully committed, to ensure that, with respect to every United States attorney position in this country, we will have a presidentially appointed, Senate-confirmed United States attorney.

Think Progress » Gonzales Lied Under Oath, Said All Bush-Appointed Attorneys Would Be ‘Senate-Confirmed’
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