Well, that's good, because it means you're discussing the same issue that the rest of us here are discussing!

No, it's a discussion of the recent ruling, as you just stated.

The Supreme Court doesn't do disguises, as you seem to think. On the contrary, it issues rulings. Apparently your understanding of the law is as poor as is your knowledge of science. You think sperm in a rubber bag is a live human being, and you think rulings by the Supreme Court are "a wolf in sheeps clothing" and a "disguise".

You're wrong with BOTH of those foolish claims of yours.

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Man...I just feel like I need a cigarette and a nap. Was it good for you?

Seriously, I'm off to smoke. Have a nice day.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Who cares.

You are making a very large assumtion with your statement. In my case, while I am opposed to late term abortions in all cases. It is in fact the "Method" used in PBA which appalls me.

Reference R-v-W, It is nothing but a talking point, and in reality. it is quite irrelevant. whether or not it is overturned.

You're playing games. The statement by ACOG was unambiguous. If you disagre with it I have no problem with that. If you are trying to claim they didn't say what they clearly said and what I quoted then you are damaging the value of your own position. You cannot effectively claim the moral high ground in an argument while simultaeneously mischaracterizing your opponents position.

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The most important political office is that of private citizen.
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its good to know our society possesses at least some reserve about ripping fetuses out of the womb.

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I don't see how he's making a mischaracterization. Based on the quotes provided, the ACOG was only comparing the method in question to other methods of abortion.
All he's down in specify the context in which the remarks were made. How does that mischaracterize their position?

Really? Compared to what? Do you know what is entailed in the alternative methods of abortion?

If you've missed the graphic propoganda of the pro-life mobs picketing clinics, I'm quite sure there are some here to point you in the right direction.

I will cut you absolutely no slack for being ignorant of what abortion entails. It is brutal in ALL instances. In every instance the fetus dies at the hands of the doctor and mother with no anesthesia or any other consideration.

If you believe partial birth abortion is particularly cruel, I would have to ask a quite simple question, "why?".

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

No. The ACOG said that they could not envision a circumstance in which alternative methods of abortion were not comparable. This says absolutely nothing about the necessity or morality of the method used.

All they said was that the decision should be made between the doctor and the woman/mother.

There are other methods which can be used at ANY stage of pregnancy and in fact, I could stab a healthy, full term, breathing baby through the heart and accomplish the same thing as any other abortion except that the baby is alive outside the womb. We have not begun to discuss viability of the fetus or health of the mother - at this point, the method is moot!

It is NOT the method that should be the issue. This is a ploy and nothing more. It matters not whether you are pro life or pro choice.

I can't fathom that I'm the only person to see this. Surely someone else has considered this. Saving a life and leaving someone on a ventilator but brain dead is gruesome, grotesque and morally questionable. Ending a pregnancy is gruesome, grotesque and morally questionable.

In what circumstance is it OK to refer to a law, rule, or job description in defense of a right action NOT taken? NEVER! Refer to Nuremberg trials as an example.

God/Nature WILL insist on illustrating the necessity of difficult decisions regardless of the politics of small men.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Perhaps so. But, none the less, in regards to this particular law, the method IS the issue. Saying that it shouldn't be does not change that.

The discussion was asking whether or not the ACOG ever said that this particular procedure was necessary to protect the life/health of the woman.
In light of the post quotes from the ACOG, I still fail to see how actively killing the fetus/baby serves any purpose to that end.

OK.

Then by the same token, the consideration of the womans health/life alone, should be the same for all abortion procedures at any stage in the pregnancy.

See what I mean?

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

The arguments used by the supreme court in this judgement are as obtuse as the arguments used in RvW or the original polygamy arguments (which were unequivacally religiously biased).

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

I also have no idea exactly how it serves. I only know ACOG claims it does. If the judges or the congresspeople who passd and approved this law have a reasonable explanation of how they came to have superior medical knowledg to ACOG I have not seen it.

There is only one purpose to this decision. It does not protect the mother and it will not prevent one single abortion. It serves only to put the supreme court's approval on restrictions which do not contain exceptions for the health of the mother.

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The most important political office is that of private citizen.
Louis D. Brandeis - First Jewish Supreme Court Justice

Agreed.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn