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Joao Dasilva · #31 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Imperator

you really shouldotpsyt when you're under the infuence...are you kidding me or what?? "the south never had it"?

Southern society has always been rigidly segmented in 3 unequal parts.

That is why it was the LAST region of the country to have a public ed system.

Those 3 were (are):

The Planters- the Bourbon aristocracy.

The poor Whites (no Middle Class to speak of). 'Pitchfork' Ben's people, usually unrepresented in economic terms, except for a Huey Long or L. Mendel Rivers.

The Blacks.

Mrs. M · #32 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Joao Dasilva

Southern society has always been rigidly segmented in 3 unequal parts.

That is why it was the LAST region of the country to have a public ed system.

Those 3 were (are):

The Planters- the Bourbon aristocracy.

The poor Whites (no Middle Class to speak of). 'Pitchfork' Ben's people, usually unrepresented in economic terms, except for a Huey Long or L. Mendel Rivers.

The Blacks.

What do you know about the south today, genius? Absolutely fucking nothing, that's what.

Joao Dasilva · #33 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

I know that there's no direct way to get from Chattanooga to Cleveland, Ga.

Except going over Blood Mountain.

I know the washout at Folly still produces good waves, although Chris & Jerry's has changed hands, and the traffic in Charleston is crazy.

I know that the folks in Port Everglades are sweating bullets everytime a tourist gets the shits on a cruse.

I know the New Orleans is still a disaster zone.

I know that you have to pay just to walk out on the pier in Wilmington, NC.

I know that boiled peanuts and Bessingers bar-B-Que are proof there is a God.

And so it goes.

Mrs. M · #34 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Joao Dasilva

I know that there's no direct way to get from Chattanooga to Cleveland, Ga.

Except going over Blood Mountain.

I know the washout at Folly still produces good waves, although Chris & Jerry's has changed hands, and the traffic in Charleston is crazy.

I know that the folks in Port Everglades are sweating bullets everytime a tourist gets the shits on a cruse.

I know the New Orleans is still a disaster zone.

I know that you have to pay just to walk out on the pier in Wilmington, NC.

I know that boiled peanuts and Bessingers bar-B-Que are proof there is a God.

And so it goes.

Oh gee. Such trivia.

In other words, you've no idea if the people of the south have a "sense of community" but yet you spew bullshit statements as though you're an authority. We've got it, okay? We know you don't like the south and you think we're all inferior to you so why don't you just STFU about us for a while?

Imperator · #35 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Oh gee. Such trivia.

In other words, you've no idea if the people of the south have a "sense of community" but yet you spew bullshit statements as though you're an authority. We've got it, okay? We know you don't like the south and you think we're all inferior to you so why don't you just STFU about us for a while?

don't waste your time Sugah...he has never been to the south other than driving through it perhaps....he hasn't the foggeist idea what he is talking about which it appears, is not new....

MattLarson · #36 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

Hey, if he visited it once, he's an expert.

Look at how his tourism made him an authority on South and Central America.

Matt

conformfailure · #37 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Mark_Twain

I live one block from my 5th grader's school. Yet, the kids across the street from the school go to a school about 3 miles away. The reason? There is a massive apartment complex about a mile away that is completely Section 8 housing. Something like 5,000 people live in this complex. My school district redrew their boundary lines before this complex was built, in anticipation of being overrun with kids who'd need services they couldn't afford to provide. So, the next school district to the east was forced to take them in. It so happens that the next school district over has higher home values, and thus a higher funding base with which to work.

So, the real culprit here is, IMO, the school funding formula utilized in many states. That is, the local school district collects from the property taxes assessed in its own district. So, if you live in an area with multi-million dollar homes, you'll likely have a top-tier school district. If you live where I live, where the average home price is around $200,000 (which, in the Midwest, is typical middle-class), you'll have a decent school district. But if you live in the inner city, where the average home price is $40-$90,000, you'll have a shit school district.

And that's exactly what you see here & in many other states. The quick solution would be to pool the property tax money in the state capital & then disperse it equally amongst all school districts. It's absurd that Jerome lives in a district where the spending per pupil is $2,800, while Johnny gets a better education because spending is $5,600 per pupil, based entirely upon the values of homes & businesses in the radius around the school.

This debate is officially over. You got it Mark Twain. You hit it on the nail and no matter what there is no way anyone can work around what you said.

This ruling essentially reversed another Supreme Court decision that ENDED segregation. I can't believe people support a ruling that reverses Americas effort to end segregation.

Crystal · #38 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Ding ding ding ding!

MT gets the prize!

That's exactly it. Funding (generally) is not distributed at the state level, but at the district level. So, without busing, poor kids end up at underfunded schools, and rich kids end up at well-funded schools. The result? The rich kids get the environment they need to succeed, and the poor kids get screwed again.

Also, the research clearly demonstrates (I don't have a link, it was studies we read on paper while I was in teaching school - if you don't believe me, I understand) that integrating rich and poor kids results in the poor kids' increased performance, and no impact on the rich. It seems that the rich kids' standards, including a valuing of education, rub off on the poor kids and set an example for them.

Texas actually has a "Robin Hood" plan which takes money from richer school districts and gives it to poorer ones. Yes, the richer districts complain "Quit Robbin' our Hood" because they have to cut back on advanced classes or additional electives, but when push comes to shove we all know every Texas student needs the opportunity to learn English before some rich district needs to offer a 7th language elective. When states such as Texas have programs such as this is it still necessary to bus kids? Is it possible that diversity can be found in areas other than race? People are much more than a skin color, would you agree?

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Robin Hood is Working

The Robin Hood school finance program has been largely successful in substantially equalizing 90 percent of Texas school districts’ spending per student.

“The playing field is not totally leveled, but we are ahead of where we were 10 years ago,” said Dan Casey, a partner in Moak, Casey and Associates that does consulting for Texas public schools.

According to Texas Center for Education Research and Texas Association of School Boards, 90 percent of students in Texas are in school systems with roughly equal wealth, and 99 percent of the revenue in the system has been redistributed to make it more equal.

BTW, I'd like to point out to Joao, that Texas is part of the South and we have programs in place such as Robin Hood. As backwards as we must be, how did we ever come up with such an idea when we have no sense of community.

Armando Diaz · #39 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

I am SO glad this form of forced Liberal racist integration is coming to an end. Unfortunately it came 40 years too late for some of my friends who did not survive this insane Liberal Experiment. The "Joys of Diversity" destroyed my school, my neighborhood and my city, and I will have to carry physical scars to my grave.

conformfailure · #40 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Armando Diaz

I am SO glad this form of forced Liberal racist integration is coming to an end. Unfortunately it came 40 years too late for some of my friends who did not survive this insane Liberal Experiment. The "Joys of Diversity" destroyed my school, my neighborhood and my city, and I will have to carry physical scars to my grave.

You're like the poster boy of everything minorities fight against. But I'm glad you posted because you show the true heart of people that support this new ruling.

It's interesting how racism can be disguised by using the word liberal.

conformfailure · #41 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Crystal

Texas actually has a "Robin Hood" plan which takes money from richer school districts and gives it to poorer ones. Yes, the richer districts complain "Quit Robbin' our Hood" because they have to cut back on advanced classes or additional electives, but when push comes to shove we all know every Texas student needs the opportunity to learn English before some rich district needs to offer a 7th language elective. When state's such as Texas have programs such as this is it still necessary to bus kids? Is it possible that diversity can be found in areas other than race? People are much more than a skin color, would you agree?

BTW, I'd like to point out to Joao, that Texas is part of the South and we have programs in place such as Robin Hood. As backwards as we must be, how did we ever come up with such an idea when we have no sense of community.

And after the decision handed down by the Supreme Court, do you honestly believe that Roberts is looking for more Robin Hood programs to sprout across the country? The decision handed down means that Robin Hood programs will become a thing of the past.

You are also completely incorrect. The Robin Hood program is a race-based program because like any other program geared to improve equality means that it has to confront equality issues based on race because that is the reality of America.

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Is it possible that diversity can be found in areas other than race? People are much more than a skin color, would you agree?

That's disrespectful. Other than race? We are not the ones that drew the segregation line. The segregation line was drawn by Anglos and you disrespect MLK for his hard work on equality that was clearly based on combating Anglo's segregation line that is still very much alive today that's trying to make a comeback.

Incredible.

Armando Diaz · #42 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by conformfailure

You're like the poster boy of everything minorities fight against. But I'm glad you posted because you show the true heart of people that support this new ruling.

It's interesting how racism can be disguised by using the word liberal.

LOL! That's right, victims of a racism that liberals like yourself refuse to acknowledge even exists, are racists for being 'victims and daring to talk about it'. Sorry, but your kind of Politically Correct Racism that was forced on the majority of Americans has worn right through to the other side, and more and more people are starting to see the light right through your smoke and mirrors racist social engineering.

It's interesting how Liberals are incapable of recognizing their own racism when it's a racist law they forced on others.

Dilettante · #43 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by conformfailure

This ruling essentially reversed another Supreme Court decision that ENDED segregation. I can't believe people support a ruling that reverses Americas effort to end segregation.

Its kinda a funny world when the same ruling "ends segregation" and bans racist policies at the same time, isn't it?

conformfailure · #44 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Dilettante

Its kinda a funny world when the same ruling "ends segregation" and bans racist policies at the same time, isn't it?

No, you're wrong.

In order to end segregation you must make efforts to diversify and integrate.

It is prior ruling is not a racist policy. The policy was integration to end segregation. It was a ruling that was the result and response to segregation in America.

The new ruling ends that.

Wake up. This nation isn't equal. This nation is still very much divided along racial lines. How do you end segregation if you do nothing about it? How does a black man go from slavery to an equal citizen with those that would have been his slave master?

Are you saying MLK's efforts were wrong? Are you saying that his legacy was racist? When there is segregation something must be done to force integration on those who still refused to accept Black people as equal.

Do not paint a rosy picture of the new ruling. It is one of the worst rulings in America's history. It reverses everything that activists were fighting in the 60's. Your support of this new ruling contradicts any praise one may say about MLK.

Progress has been reversed. Without positive effort to integrate, then we remain segregated. Equality doesn't happen by itself. It happens thanks to the efforts of civil rights leaders which the new ruling called racist.

How can it be racist to promote integration in a nation that had slaves based on race?

Joao Dasilva · #45 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007

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Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Oh gee. Such trivia.

In other words, you've no idea if the people of the south have a "sense of community" but yet you spew bullshit statements as though you're an authority. We've got it, okay? We know you don't like the south and you think we're all inferior to you so why don't you just STFU about us for a while?

To the contrary, I am well versed in Southern society- its mores and subtleties.

I'm down there about 3 times/year on average.

I also know that there is no the SOB's have any concerns about the people in, say, Byrnes Down- much less Bowman or Miley.

'The matron living in downtown Charleston might as well be on Mars compared to the worker in Birmingham.'- National Geographic.

This is not unique to the South, just exercebated to the point to where 'community' does not enter the picture.

Hence, the traditional lack of support for public education which characterizes the region.

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