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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

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Why do you think the only diversity is racial diversity? True diversity revolves around a lot more than race since we are all more than the color of our skin. If someone were to disagree, than I would say that they really don't value a whole person for who they truely are. Just like I said to Mark Twain, I believe most of the members on this board to be white, based on the pictures of members I've seen, however, I also think this board is diverse. Do you think this board is diverse or do you think we are all cookie cutters of one another?

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Texas actually has a "Robin Hood" plan which takes money from richer school districts and gives it to poorer ones. Yes, the richer districts complain "Quit Robbin' our Hood" because they have to cut back on advanced classes or additional electives, but when push comes to shove we all know every Texas student needs the opportunity to learn English before some rich district needs to offer a 7th language elective. When states such as Texas have programs such as this is it still necessary to bus kids? Is it possible that diversity can be found in areas other than race? People are much more than a skin color, would you agree?
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I think a system like this sounds great. I also agree that there are other things than race to create diversity. I think the key is that there needs to be a blending of individuals from different socioeconomic statuses; unfortunately this pairs very closely with race.
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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

this ruling had zero to do with Brown.....as I said certain parties bleat for diversity then assist in creating a non diverse atmosphere ..the sine qua non of lib political actionisism...if the libs really gave a crap about it, they would demand that the school system be revamped..ala charter schools etc. and not by throwing more money at it, but by holding teachers and more so administrators accountable foe failures in inner city schools....but that’s not “politic” with the victimization ideology that they foist on the African American community each and every single chance they get...

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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

Except, of course, those of us who have actually worked within the school system, and know that charter schools add nothing, that busing increased diversity, not decreased it; that the problems with the school system, while rampant, are NOTHING compared to the failings of the "parents."


Your generalizations are so fucking pathetic.
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Except, of course, those of us who have actually worked within the school system, and know that charter schools add nothing, that busing increased diversity, not decreased it; that the problems with the school system, while rampant, are NOTHING compared to the failings of the "parents."


Your generalizations are so fucking pathetic.
they add nothing? please ....and if you’re going to get personal, that’s the perfect lib camouflage which you exhibit to the inth degree...don’t like the comment? attack.......or better ye shut it up..very nice, very good what model of objectivity you exhibit..ifs that you attitude and you work in the school system you are either so brain washed or are a self righteous loon.,..dude, ....thats pathetic ..so if YOU ARE a member of the local school union show me the MONEY what the hell are we paying or? If I have to post studies that show the longer our kids spend in school the more there test scores go down ( I’d use the word precipitously, but at the rate our kids are learning I am not sure you could comprehend it, I will ....soooo for you. I’ll translate, they get dumber)..what now Batman?




...charter schools and demanding accountability, and being refused by the likes of you to protect your own......, is insulting ..who the hell do you think you are? We have been shoveling loads of money into a failing system for the past 20 years and the results...? what results ..? what us? show results (well PARDON ME for asking for results) ..results which do not appear to be ever forthcoming....(regards the amounts of money and TRUST we are placing in you)...so do me a favor take your anger, and failings and look in the mirror..

those are particulars, if you want to answer in a desultory manner ( for you and what it appears your lack of mental acuity- : marked by lack of definite plan or regularity or purpose; jumping from one thing to another; "desultory thoughts"; "the desultory conversation characteristic of cocktail parties" )my point is proved...you wanna debate the school system in this country? bring it on. ...
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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

Sigh.

Charter schools have not been shown to have any improvement in student performance, and are often related to decreases therein.

Nice use of the talking points, though. Too bad you know jack shit about education, huh?
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I'm sorry but I'm with the conservatives on this one. You see from other testimonials in this thread what this race based enrollment was doing. You are advocating its ok for someone you tell you that because you are black you must go here or because you are white you must go there. That is inherintly wrong. I don't oppose diversity but forcing it and inconveniencing the hell out of people is morally wrong.
Yes, it was a serious problem in many school districts that did this and negatively impacted many students.

Regarding diversity, there is a lot more to diversity than the color of someone's skin. Having a white man, a black man, and an Asian man working in the same office together has squat to do with making the office diverse.

Chief Justice Roberts said it best. "The best way to end discrimination is to end discrimination".
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Everything else is unconstitutional and reverse racism.
No, it's just plain racism. There is no such thing as reverse racism.
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no actually it is needed for you are the one who inferred that all white people are rich in the good schools...........

you are that person who said its all a conspiracy brought up by all the white people

and i am the one who is raising the red flag of BULLSHIT saying you are wrong

and need i remind you it was you who says your anti war shit is about your daughter serving???????? whos personal story was that chemtrail?????
I have found in many cases that those who scream racism the loudest are usually the ones practicing it the most. Conformfailure is a good example of that.
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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

I'm glad this decision came down the way it did. Finally, the law of equal protection takes a step toward equality. Previous courts have imposed their own ideas on how best to acheive diversity without regard for whether they were actually abiding the equal protection clause.

I only wish they had more squarely addressed the issue of what "diversity" is and how it became a "compelling interest". The Court in Grutter and Gratz perverted the idea of "diversity" into being based completely upon race. In my opinion "diversity" is just as aptly acheived by having people of the same color from polar opposite financial or cultural backgrounds.
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Diversity is an admirable goal, but an unelected bureaucrat deciding what the proper mix should be is not the right way to go about obtaining it.
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Diversity is an admirable goal, but an unelected bureaucrat deciding what the proper mix should be is not the right way to go about obtaining it.
Yes, because we know we want petty partisan politicians making the decision instead. . .
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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

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Texas actually has a "Robin Hood" plan which takes money from richer school districts and gives it to poorer ones. Yes, the richer districts complain "Quit Robbin' our Hood" because they have to cut back on advanced classes or additional electives, but when push comes to shove we all know every Texas student needs the opportunity to learn English before some rich district needs to offer a 7th language elective. When states such as Texas have programs such as this is it still necessary to bus kids? Is it possible that diversity can be found in areas other than race? People are much more than a skin color, would you agree?
I have to disagree. High schools need to cut back on remedial courses. Advanced classes always take a back seat to remedial classes. That's b.s. Students will accept the standards set before them. Set the standards low and many students will perform to those low standards.
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