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Old 06-28-2007
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Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

Supreme Court: Schools can't use race to assign students


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The Supreme Court dealt a severe blow to school integration efforts today, ruling that the Constitution forbids assigning students to particular schools because of their race, even when the goal is campus diversity.

The 5-4 ruling, on the last day of the 2006-07 term, came 53 years after the court unanimously outlawed racial segregation in public schools and declared that segregated schools are inherently unequal. Today's decision invoked some of the same concepts of racial equality to strike down race-conscious enrollment systems in Seattle and Louisville, Ky., similar to programs in hundreds of school districts nationwide.

"The state must seek alternatives to the classification and differential treatment of individuals by race, at least absent some extraordinary showing not present here,'' said Justice Anthony Kennedy, who cast the decisive fifth vote against the Seattle and Louisville districts.

The court's most conservative members, led by Chief Justice John Roberts, would have gone further and banned all school district efforts at racial balancing, saying they violated the principle of a "color-blind'' Constitution. Kennedy disagreed, saying racial diversity in public schools is a legitimate goal, but that it generally must be pursued by such measures as designing attendance zones or locating new schools to minimize racial isolation rather than assigning individual students on the basis of their race.

I was trying to figure out the role reversal here. Generally its the liberals fighting for minority rights and equalities and the conservatives opposing these things.

Here we have conservatives ruling that race should never be a factor in enrollment which I totally agree with.

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Dissenting justices said the ruling endangered the principles of racial equality established in the landmark 1954 ruling, Brown vs. Board of Education.

"The last half-century has witnessed great strides toward racial equality, but we have not yet realized the promise of Brown,'' said Justice Stephen Breyer. "To invalidate the plans under review is to threaten the promise of Brown. The (Roberts) position, I fear, would break that promise. This is a decision that the court and the nation will come to regret.''

The ruling comes four years after the court allowed public universities to consider applicants' race as one of several factors to promote a diverse student body. The 5-4 majority in that case included Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who retired last year and was replaced by Justice Samuel Alito, an appointee of President Bush who joined Roberts' opinion today. The court majority said today it was not questioning the 2003 ruling.

The decision affects numerous school districts that have adopted race-conscious enrollment systems to offset the effects of housing patterns and parental choice that have resulted in heavily white and minority schools even after the abolition of state-sponsored segregation.

According to a report by the Civil Rights Project at Harvard University, whites made up 58 percent of the nation's public school enrollment in 2003, but the average white student attended a school that was nearly 80 percent white. African Americans accounted for 17 percent of all students, but the average black student attended a school that was 53 percent black. Latinos made up 19 percent of enrollment but attended schools that were typically 55 percent Latino.

The impact of today's ruling on California is less clear, because state voters may have already outlawed race-based enrollment systems more than a decade ago.

Proposition 209, passed in 1996, prohibited race and sex preferences in public education, employment and contracting. The state Supreme Court has declared that the initiative bans all government classifications that treat the races differently, but has never ruled on its application to public schools.
Then I see why Liberals are fighting for race to be a factor. Their intentions are good but I still don't believe the principle of taking into consideration someone's race or color should ever be a factor in anything. If they want to diversify then they should find another method.
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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

The school district we used to live in rezoned their schools. They used race the the only factor. The school district at the time was 45% black so when they rezoned they said that all schools in the district had to be within 10% of that...so all schools had to be 35%-55% black. Some parents were very angry because their kids had to go to a school that was 2 miles away instead of 2 blocks away.
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The Supreme Court dealt a severe blow to school integration efforts today, ruling that the Constitution forbids assigning students to particular schools because of their race, even when the goal is campus diversity.
Supreme Court: Schools can't use race to assign students



Why does campus diversity hate America?

This decision makes my stomach turn. How can something as positive as diversity be struck down by the Supreme Court?

Worst day in America.
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This deserves breaking news attention.
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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

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The school district we used to live in rezoned their schools. They used race the the only factor. The school district at the time was 45% black so when they rezoned they said that all schools in the district had to be within 10% of that...so all schools had to be 35%-55% black. Some parents were very angry because their kids had to go to a school that was 2 miles away instead of 2 blocks away.
Same thing happened in my old state. They changed....and the parents complained about it because of the 11 mile difference in a couple of high schools, but all they put on the table for consideration was ONE REQUEST...

that the SENIORS for the coming year be excluded so they could GRADUATE where they had gone to high school since the 9th grade. It was turned down and you talk about uproar? It was bad.

And parents began assigning guardianship to friends and family that would turn the tables and allow their seniors to continue in their high school...and the state came after them, virtually watching them to see if the kids were actually STAYING at the new residence.

I am telling you...it was some screwed up stuff.

It was ALMOST unimaginable.

Almost.
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Same thing happened in my old state. They changed....and the parents complained about it because of the 11 mile difference in a couple of high schools, but all they put on the table for consideration was ONE REQUEST...

that the SENIORS for the coming year be excluded so they could GRADUATE where they had gone to high school since the 9th grade. It was turned down and you talk about uproar? It was bad.

And parents began assigning guardianship to friends and family that would turn the tables and allow their seniors to continue in their high school...and the state came after them, virtually watching them to see if the kids were actually STAYING at the new residence.

I am telling you...it was some screwed up stuff.

It was ALMOST unimaginable.

Almost.
The nation is in an uproar while you're here whistling about how parents hate it. Yeah, completely believable ...
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Supreme Court: Schools can't use race to assign students

Why does campus diversity hate America?

This decision makes my stomach turn. How can something as positive as diversity be struck down by the Supreme Court?

Worst day in America.
I'm sorry but I'm with the conservatives on this one. You see from other testimonials in this thread what this race based enrollment was doing. You are advocating its ok for someone you tell you that because you are black you must go here or because you are white you must go there. That is inherintly wrong. I don't oppose diversity but forcing it and inconveniencing the hell out of people is morally wrong.
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Brown V Board Of Ed was fairly easy to kill due to the pervasive racism which exixts here in the land of the weak and beaten-down.

But lets see how they do when the fascist five go up against the New Deal.

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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

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The Supreme Court dealt a severe blow to school integration efforts today, ruling that the Constitution forbids assigning students to particular schools because of their race, even when the goal is campus diversity.
The article gets it wrong again - unsurprising for a paper out of San Francisco.

The Supreme Court didn't deal a blow to school integration efforts. The Constitution did that, when the 14th amendment made it illegal to discriminate based on race or color. The Supremes merely pointed it out, as is their legitimate job.

What's the problem? You don't like it when you're not allowed to use race or color as a factor, one way or another? Then amend the Constitution. Right now it says you're SOL, and that's not the Supreme Court's fault.

The article author sounds similar to a bank robber who says cops are depriving him of his "right" to take money out of the vault by force. They're not doing it, the law is doing it. They are merely upholding the law, as is their job. And the Supremes are upholding the law too, just as they should.

It's up to us (actually 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states) to change it if we don't like it. But why are you complaining about the Supreme Court? They've done exactly what they should (for a change): uphold the law as we, the people, wrote it. I wouldn't have them do anything else.

Don't like it? Get your amendment going. And if 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states don't agree with you, I guess you're out of luck. That's the Constitutional republic we live in. And just maybe, 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states are wiser than you are in this matter. That's why the Constitution specifies those numbers to amend it - the Framers figured that such a large, diverse group would come to the right decision more often than a few misguided hotheads would. Maybe you'd like to pick another form of govt - there are plenty around the world to choose from. Let me know what you find.

But until then, why criticize the Supreme Court for doing their job correctly?
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I'm sorry but I'm with the conservatives on this one. You see from other testimonials in this thread what this race based enrollment was doing. You are advocating its ok for someone you tell you that because you are black you must go here or because you are white you must go there. That is inherintly wrong. I don't oppose diversity but forcing it and inconveniencing the hell out of people is morally wrong.
Except, of course, when you see a "neighborhood" school and see what resegregation is doing to those communities.
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Diversity policies are nearly ALL total crap...affirmative action at the top of the dung pile.

I believe in equal treatment under the law - period. Everything else is unconstitutional and reverse racism.
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Re: Supreme court historic ruling says race not factor in enrollment

Kudos to the court, IMO.

I'm all for diversity, but at the end of day, no one should every be told: "You can't go to school here because your skin is the wrong color."
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Supreme Court: Schools can't use race to assign students



Why does campus diversity hate America?

This decision makes my stomach turn. How can something as positive as diversity be struck down by the Supreme Court?

Worst day in America.
Its not a matter of hate it’s a matter of fairness and frankly, the desegregation of schools has allowed more of them to slip into mediocrity than before....the problem here is the education system period...it should not matter where a student goes to school, they should al get the same level of opportunity to learn than the other..........but the unions and administrators of the public school system will not allow it.........they say they cannot draw good teachers to inner city schools...okay why? That’s a debate in and of itself but lets say that the commitment of the parents, the ability to discipline agitators who stop others from learning, paying talented teachers more to teach in more challenging atmospheres etc. and the built in malaise in these communities is more to blame than who they sit next too.

Some of it makes me laugh...Michigan U. claimed they needed to create a quota system to get more Black and Hispanic students enrolled to create an atmosphere of diversity amongst the student populace, because a diverse student body benefits all.........okay, then why do they set up separate orientations, separate dorms, separate study groups and separate graduations based along racial lines.....? It does not add up....
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A level opportunity in a fundamentally biased system- both along racial and economic lines.

That's a real trick.
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you should go to school , to the school....that is closest too you

period
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