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ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School (7/11/2002)

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union today announced that it is publicly supporting the Christian students who recently filed a lawsuit against the Davenport Schools asserting the right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.
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This isn't the only example of the ACLU defending religious rights although I do not feel like searching for every article I can find on it since it will not change minds anyway. It is a knee jerk reaction to hate the ACLU even though the majority of what they do does not involve such sensational issues.
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If they would actually go around and protect rights instead of attacking freedom of religion vs church and state.................

the ACLU would be a worthy organization , from gay boyscouts, to this type of stuff or religious symbolism in city seals, to a picture...........wow
How did you feel when the ACLU defends religious conservatives?

Grits for Breakfast: ACLU defends religious conservatives
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gee thanks professor

not the point what are they known for in the media ????????

which was my point
Would that be the liberal media?

If it were truly "liberal," would they not bury the stories that might make the ACLU appear as a monsterish institution to the likes of you?
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For those who STILL BELIEVE that the Founding Fathers did not intend a separation of church & state:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. -- Thomas Jefferson"

Do you need more? I can go down the list. Washington. Madison. Franklin. Paine. Adams. Right down the list. I've got reams of 'em.
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Folks might also want to familiarize themselves with this thread:

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For those who STILL BELIEVE that the Founding Fathers did not intend a separation of church & state:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. -- Thomas Jefferson"

Do you need more? I can go down the list. Washington. Madison. Franklin. Paine. Adams. Right down the list. I've got reams of 'em.
I've read the list before and what matters is what was written in the Constitution.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Last time I checked, my local government wasn't establishing a religion, nor were they prohibiting anyone from worshipping whomever they wish nor were they forcing anyone to worship the Christian God. That the Supreme Court reads this Amendment differently is a pity.

From my mayor:
"Our money has God's name on it. The Pledge of Allegiance has God's name on it. Congress opens up with a prayer. And they run around like chickens with their heads cut off, that this is fostering religion. I don't think it fosters anything. I don't think that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind," Mayor Ben Morris said.

This, from Judge Lamz:
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The judge said he is resigned to a lawsuit over the portrait.

"Due to the display's historical place in the courthouse, I explored options to obtain a definitive ruling on the constitutionality of the display without an adversarial court battle," he said. "I could find none."

Lamz said he consulted with a constitutional scholar at the University of Michigan, who he said has argued similar cases, before concluding that the portrait's constitutionality remains an open legal question.

But the acting director of the ACLU's Louisiana chapter said the question was settled by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2005.

"Our decision to take the case is based on an established Supreme Court precedent," Vincent Booth said, referring to the case of McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky. "I expect that we will go forward with our suit to let a court decide."
Judge refuses to remove Jesus portrait - Breaking News Updates New Orleans - Times-Picayune - NOLA.com

I don't really expect our city to win this but I'm glad to see that our elected officials at least try and uphold the will of the people.
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I've read the list before and what matters is what was written in the Constitution.



Last time I checked, my local government wasn't establishing a religion,
You're right, and what matters about what is written in the Constitution is original intent. Jefferson's quote (among many, many others) plainly shows what that intent WAS & IS!

By having a government official give preference to one religion over another CAN BE construed as an attempt to ESTABLISH a religion. Courts have held this over & over again, and you're man is gonna lose. Why can't you Bible thumpers get that through your skulls and quit wasting our time & tax money? If you wanna pray, pray in private like your Father asks, not on the street corner like a bunch of hypocrites.
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You're right, and what matters about what is written in the Constitution is original intent. Jefferson's quote (among many, many others) plainly shows what that intent WAS & IS!

By having a government official give preference to one religion over another CAN BE construed as an attempt to ESTABLISH a religion. Courts have held this over & over again, and you're man is gonna lose. Why can't you Bible thumpers get that through your skulls and quit wasting our time & tax money? If you wanna pray, pray in private like your Father asks, not on the street corner like a bunch of hypocrites.
every president has ended every speach with "god bless america"

why cant you agnostic atheist get it through your head this is a nation formed on and supported by the MAJORITY which is religious in some form
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I don't really expect our city to win this but I'm glad to see that our elected officials at least try and uphold the will of the people.
The will of the people is to have a secular state, not a theocracy. I could suggest some theocracies for your relocation if you desire living under such an authoritarian regime. . .
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You're right, and what matters about what is written in the Constitution is original intent. Jefferson's quote (among many, many others) plainly shows what that intent WAS & IS!

By having a government official give preference to one religion over another CAN BE construed as an attempt to ESTABLISH a religion. Courts have held this over & over again, and you're man is gonna lose. Why can't you Bible thumpers get that through your skulls and quit wasting our time & tax money? If you wanna pray, pray in private like your Father asks, not on the street corner like a bunch of hypocrites.
WE'RE wasting YOUR time and YOUR tax money? The ACLU is the one that's suing! Oh, and the defense is being paid for by donations.
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The will of the people is to have a secular state, not a theocracy. I could suggest some theocracies for your relocation if you desire living under such an authoritarian regime. . .
how in the fuck is mrs m suggesting a theocracy by wanting a painting to stay ????????????

something that has always been there???????

this is no different than in California where the people didnt give a fuck that a 100 year old city symbol had a cross on it....only the ACLU did , and made a stink....wasted tax payers money in court to get a minature cross taken off a symbol of a mission........which was the founding of the city and more there for history than anything
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The will of the people is to have a secular state, not a theocracy. I could suggest some theocracies for your relocation if you desire living under such an authoritarian regime. . .
The will of the majority of the people in Slidell, Louisiana is to leave the picture as it is.
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WE'RE wasting YOUR time and YOUR tax money? The ACLU is the one that's suing! Oh, and the defense is being paid for by donations.
Asshole activist judges doing things they KNOW are unconstitutional is the waste of tax money. The ACLU forcing a dickweed judge to actually follow the law is what is known as "counter-balance."
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Asshole activist judges doing things they KNOW are unconstitutional is the waste of tax money. The ACLU forcing a dickweed judge to actually follow the law is what is known as "counter-balance."
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