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Interesting that they want to fight for every part of the Constitution, except for the Second Amendment.

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Thats what the NRA is for. Call them, ask about a second amendment issue, and they'll refer you to the NRA.

The NRA focuses on only one, the ACLU has everything else. Seriously...
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Last time I checked the Catholic Church, the Episcopalian Church, the Mormon Church, indeed Christianity as a whole are establishments of religion.

Perhaps you should look up what an establishment is.

If the federal government passed a law funding distribution of episcopalian literature, it would respect (read: be about) an establishment of religion (the episcopalian church)

Its not that hard of a concept. Establishment doesn't mean "establishing a religion" If that it is what the founding fathers meant thats what they would have said. They could not anticipate that people would have such a poor grasp of the english language to understand, that just like a bar is an establishment, so is a church.



Its not like its a very hard URL to remember

The ACLU Fights for Christians


thanks dad....but once again not the point

how many off the top of anyones head do they remember????

no one does they are all about pushing fringe agendas , and for cracking on christianity in particular , but most religions............
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Interesting that they want to fight for every part of the Constitution, except for the Second Amendment.

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Now you are going to get critical for what they are not doing. Damn, The Salvation Army doesn't provide health care for people. Bastards.
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Ahhh .. the ACLU .. the organization known for it's action to support First Amendment rights, while chastizing it's very own employees for speaking out against its internal policies ..
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Now you are going to get critical for what they are not doing. Damn, The Salvation Army doesn't provide health care for people. Bastards.
Silly comparison.

The ACLU is supposed to be about Civil Liberties (hmmm, could that be part of their name)?

Yet they refuse to take any case related to the Second Amendment.

Yeah, they refer Second Amendment issues to the NRA.

But they don't refer privacy issues to the EFF, or other privacy organizations.

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Now you are going to get critical for what they are not doing. Damn, The Salvation Army doesn't provide health care for people. Bastards.
WTF does the SA have to do with this ?????

did i miss a meeting.....is the SA also a group that fights for fringe groups "rights" and bashes religion
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WTF does the SA have to do with this ?????

did i miss a meeting.....is the SA also a group that fights for fringe groups "rights" and bashes religion
My point is that organizations can't do everything and we should look at what they do rather than bitch because they do not do everything.
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Silly comparison.

The ACLU is supposed to be about Civil Liberties (hmmm, could that be part of their name)?

Yet they refuse to take any case related to the Second Amendment.

Yeah, they refer Second Amendment issues to the NRA.

But they don't refer privacy issues to the EFF, or other privacy organizations.

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Not really. The NRA isn't even the only pro-gun organization although they are the most famous. Millions are donated towards this issue every year and it already has a huge group in power that are protecting gun rights which is the GOP and now has many democrats who also are pro-gun. I am not a big gun control advocate but I can see how it would really be a waste of their resources to take cases protecting against gun control when the wind is against it and it already has such a huge mass of people, organizations, and elected officials fighting that fight already. The other issues they represent do not have the groups or resources devoted to them.
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My point is that organizations can't do everything and we should look at what they do rather than bitch because they do not do everything.
we should only bitch if that group does only for a certian part of the population and is known for only that
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we should only bitch if that group does only for a certian part of the population and is known for only that
Organizations almost always have different blocks that push for different things. I think if a real threat of some serious gun control came about and we didn't have the huge amount of people, organizations, financing, and elected officials that fight for gun rights then we would have a push to do more for gun right within the organization. Then again it definitely has a block that doesn't care for gun rights at all. Personally I think people should be able to own a gun even though the issue isn't really a personal one with me since I am not a big fan of them really and do not own one. However, I definitely can see the value in getting rid of assault weapons if it was possible to do such a thing which it isn't anyway simply because I do not see a real defensive need or hunting need. Most people think we have a limitation as to what weapons people can own such as the vast majority thinking individuals shouldn't have explosives and such. That means the real question is about where people stand on a cut off line for what people can own.
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I hate... and I mean hate it when people in the public sector try to promote a certain religion. But the ACLU is annoying as hell... they embody everything the "PC" movement stands for, which I don't really like either.

I don't see a problem with the poster... it isn't like it says "Be a good Christian or go to hell!" or something like that.
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I hate... and I mean hate it when people in the public sector try to promote a certain religion. But the ACLU is annoying as hell... they embody everything the "PC" movement stands for, which I don't really like either.

I don't see a problem with the poster... it isn't like it says "Be a good Christian or go to hell!" or something like that.
They spend more time and money on the 1st amendment than any other organization in the country yet you call them PC? They are staunchly for freedom of speech and to suggest otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge about the organization.
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I hate... and I mean hate it when people in the public sector try to promote a certain religion. But the ACLU is annoying as hell... they embody everything the "PC" movement stands for, which I don't really like either.

I don't see a problem with the poster... it isn't like it says "Be a good Christian or go to hell!" or something like that.
roger, you hit the nail on the head great post(bolded by me for emphasis)

if they were consistent i wouldnt have a problem period....but they only care for PC stupid shit
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roger, you hit the nail on the head great post(bolded by me for emphasis)

if they were consistent i wouldnt have a problem period....but they only care for PC stupid shit
For one PC means limiting expression to things that are not offensive which is the opposite of what they do since they are the biggest defending of free speech in the nation. Second I pointed out many things that have nothing to do with what you characterize them as focusing on but you choose to ignore it. The media covers things that are controversy because it gets ratings. They do not cover the rest because it isn't as sexy. Much of their work has to do with criminal justice, the death penalty, disability rights, drug policy, immigration, human rights, law enforcement practices, privacy issues, voting rights, women's rights, and others. They have plenty of information on their site related to past cases and current cases involved in all of these areas.
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Part come the fuck on ..........its obvious you love this organization

i and others think they are a fucking gestapo for the fringe......
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