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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
Bush didn't pardon Libby. Right now Bush is saying Libby is guilty, but desn't have to serve time - there was a crime, but no time. He could still pardon Libby. A pardon would wipe his criminal record of this crime - no crime, no time.
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
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True - my bad. How about commutation rather than pardon - since it was the jail time that was commuted. (Libby will still have 2 years probation - I suspect donations will take care of the fine). How often does a prez commute sentences - that seems even more rare than pardons, actually.
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
There's no pardon involved. Therefore, comparisons to presidential pardons are less than useful.
Probably the closest case would be McDougal, if one wanted to continue this line. Matt
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
Actually, I think Ollie North is probably closest. Wasn't part of his prison sentence commuted?
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
Nope - Ollie was set free - completely free - because the Congress was more interested in publicity than justice. They abused their subpoena powers, tainted all the evidence, and set North and Poindexter free.
No pardon or commutation involved. Matt
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
Clinton Commutation Grants, January 2001
Clinton Pardon Grants, January 2001 Libby being high profile, I guess you could compare it to these other notables: Notable Clemencies from Presidents Washington to George H.W. Bush
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
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Any commutations - particularly of WH insiders? It was the court that vacated North's sentence, I agree. This isn't s respite either - and most commutations don't include commuting the entire prison sentence (been busy googling). Do you know of any others?
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
I dont know about you, but when I fart that is only the pardon ever expected.
Libby needs to address the people with an apology or something. Show some acknowledgement.
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Re: Libby Pardon - questions
I think the most notable feature of the commutation rather than the granting of a pardon to Libby lies in the fact that Libby retains his 5th Ammendment rights regarding the issue.
If Libby were granted a pardon, he'd have no grounds upon which to claim the 5th, and that could potentially endanger Cheney, Rove or Bush. |
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The pardon is coming, but he will effectively never suffer any punishment for his crime, rather he will reap rich rewards, like those other Republican perjurers, Ollie North and John Poindexter. Because in the GOP, lying to protect your boss is considered heroic stuff.
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