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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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I don't understand where you want to go with this arguement. Matt has said several times that he thinks the passage of the law was wrong...he agrees with you.
But he considers it portrayal in a false light. And I disagree.
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Old 07-18-2007
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

I don't know about a violation of free speech, but it does seem a bit disrespectful.
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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I don't know about a violation of free speech, but it does seem a bit disrespectful.
I view it as disrespectful, too. But we have to protect the most vile of free speech if we want all free speech to continue. The proper place for the law to protect the families in this case is in the civil courts. I hope the families have good attorneys.

Unfortunately, we can't legislate respect.
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

I'm disappointedr in this thread - the title is much juicier than the content. Seems like the State is just over reacting.
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Old 07-29-2007
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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I am not very concerned with the Supreme Courts intrepretation. SCOTUS may say anything that it likes, but this does not make it correct.
SCOTUS is correct, even if it is wrong.

This is one of the fundamental truths of law: the highst judicial authority of the land is correct, even if it is wrong. Thus, you must follow the legal precedenc of SCOTUS as an American, no matter how wrong you consider them to be.

If you think SCOTUS is wrong, you have to try to chang the law. There are ways of doing that.
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Old 10-17-2007
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

By banning "anti-war speech," they mean "the pissing on the flag at the feet of a family during the private funeral of a US soldier by anti-war/anti-religious zealots."

Speech.

Right.
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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By banning "anti-war speech," they mean "the pissing on the flag at the feet of a family during the private funeral of a US soldier by anti-war/anti-religious zealots."

Speech.

Right.
Well, that's more of a matter of having the right to destroy your own property (the flag).
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Yes, Unconstitutional. The Bill of Rights binds all levels of government.

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Except for the executive branch.
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Except for the executive branch.
Those who are paying attention will note that there have been several court cases in which the current administration has lost.

True, reality isn't as fun as posting little one line snippets of silliness, but it does have the virtue of not making the poster look like a fool.

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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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Why agree with a refuted position?
Belief doesn't equal refutation ..their names are not in the public domain as say ruling that found the uses of names due to celebrity, self aggrandizement etc. are........to me it appears a huge stretch of the 1st amendment...and now you will tell me I suppose that their names being published in a hometown newspaper rises to such, I believe not....and in the end, I think it in horribly bad taste....


I view it as disrespectful, too. But we have to protect the most vile of free speech if we want all free speech to continue. The proper place for the law to protect the families in this case is in the civil courts. I hope the families have good attorneys.

Unfortunately, we can't legislate respect.
07-18-2007 03:49 PM

how true...
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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Belief doesn't equal refutation ..their names are not in the public domain as say ruling that found the uses of names due to celebrity, self aggrandizement etc. are........to me it appears a huge stretch of the 1st amendment...
They are using the names of people who work for the government in a way that is not slanderous. How is it a stretch? If they were using the names on a war-supporting monument, would you consider that a stretch, too?
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and now you will tell me I suppose that their names being published in a hometown newspaper rises to such, I believe not....and in the end, I think it in horribly bad taste....
Why don't you think so? Does free speech stop when it becomes anti-war?
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I view it as disrespectful, too. But we have to protect the most vile of free speech if we want all free speech to continue. The proper place for the law to protect the families in this case is in the civil courts. I hope the families have good attorneys.

Unfortunately, we can't legislate respect.
07-18-2007 03:49 PM

how true...
I don't get it. First you say the position was not refuted, now you agree with me?
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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By banning "anti-war speech," they mean "the pissing on the flag at the feet of a family during the private funeral of a US soldier by anti-war/anti-religious zealots."

Speech.

Right.
No, by "anti-war speech", we mean an attempt to keep our boys overseas from dying in a cause that is not this country's, much less their own. Unless they're Blackwater mercenaries.
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Old 10-23-2007
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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Those who are paying attention will note that there have been several court cases in which the current administration has lost.
Those who are paying attention will note that the current administration routinely ignores laws, thus rendering all court decisions irrelevant.
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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Those who are paying attention will note that the current administration routinely ignores laws, thus rendering all court decisions irrelevant.
To be fair, ALL administrations have ignored laws, and court cases. Bush, for all his failures, is hardly the first. Not excusing the behavior mind you, but pointing out that this is consistently done by all governments at every level.
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Re: Some states seek to ban anti-war speech

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No, by "anti-war speech", we mean an attempt to keep our boys overseas from dying in a cause that is not this country's, much less their own. Unless they're Blackwater mercenaries.
Pissing on the flag 6 feet from a man who is mourning the loss of his soldier-son, whose coffin is about to be lowered into his grave is a damned funny way to show you care about ANY soldier's life.

It is utter bullshit.

Free speech my ass.
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