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Old 08-15-2007
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Louisiana sued for giving taxpayer money to churches

ACLU of Louisiana has filed suit to stop the disbursement of $120,000 to two churches. Apparently the earmarks were included in the state budget with no explanation of what the money is to be used for or why it was going to the churches. Interestingly, until this year's budget, pork like this was never itemized in the state budget so Louisiana citizens never had any idea exactly which legislators were paying off which constituents with these earmarks.
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The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Louisiana filed a lawsuit today asking a federal judge to halt the payment of state taxpayer money to two Louisiana churches.

"The government cannot simply choose to subsidize its favorite houses of worship with taxpayer dollars," said Daniel Mach, Director of Litigation for the ACLU's Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

The state's general appropriations bill, HB1, signed into law last month, unconstitutionally directs taxpayer dollars in the amounts of $100,000 to Stonewall Baptist Church in Bossier City and $20,000 to Shreveport Christian Church. The grants were not subject to any oversight or competitive bidding process, and the bill offers no purpose or justification for the challenged earmarks. According to the ACLU, while the state can, in certain circumstances, provide funding to religious organizations for some programs that provide non-religious social services, the First Amendment squarely bars the government from funneling direct, unrestricted, cash payments to churches.
ACLU tried to obtain the legally required documentation of the purpose of the earmark from the bill's sponsor Rep Ernest Baylor but never received a response. Here is a copy of the complaint.

I don't know which surprises me more. That a state legislator would try to hand wads of taxpayer cash to a church or that stuff like this probably went on for years before the recent reform that has forced this information into the open. I'd always heard Louisiana politics is particualrly corrupt. With a system like this it really couldn't be anything else.
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Re: Louisiana sued for giving taxpayer money to churches

As bad as ACLU is - it would appear on the surface that they are absolutely correct...in fact...this is about as unconstitutional as you can get and goes against the very fabric of our country.
(Hearing only one side of the story that is)
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Re: Louisiana sued for giving taxpayer money to churches

I agree, it definitely seems to be unconstitutional. That is not to say that any government money ear marked for a specific church is unconstitutional, it depends on why the church is getting the money. If the purpose of the grant is not stated, I would assume it is unconstitutional.
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Re: Louisiana sued for giving taxpayer money to churches

It seems some of us just can't grasp the concept of "separation of church and state."
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Re: Louisiana sued for giving taxpayer money to churches

From what I've read, there is no understanding as to what the funds are to be used for.
Therefore, I'd have to agree that the (Shiver...I can't believe I'm saying this ) that the ACLU is right.
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ACLU is right again.
Card carrying liberal here.
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I love what the ACLU should be; just not what it's become.
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ACLU is right again.
Card carrying liberal here.
IMO there is nothing at all "liberal" about ACLU. Just this year - again in Louisiana, ACLU represented a right wing christian who was arrested for protesting Wal-Mart's (in the protester's opinion) support for "Gay Lifestyles And Marriage". The court's decision forced the town in question to change its law against public protests.
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IMO there is nothing at all "liberal" about ACLU. Just this year - again in Louisiana, ACLU represented a right wing christian who was arrested for protesting Wal-Mart's (in the protester's opinion) support for "Gay Lifestyles And Marriage". The court's decision forced the town in question to change its law against public protests.
The ACLU is the epitome of Liberalism... just not necessarily progressiveness.
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IMO there is nothing at all "liberal" about ACLU. Just this year - again in Louisiana, ACLU represented a right wing christian who was arrested for protesting Wal-Mart's (in the protester's opinion) support for "Gay Lifestyles And Marriage".
That sounds liberal to me.
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That sounds liberal to me.
Did you read the post? What is "liberal" about protecting the rights of an anti-gay right-wing christian protester?
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Did you read the post? What is "liberal" about protecting the rights of an anti-gay right-wing christian protester?
Liberalism is all about protecting rights...
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As bad as ACLU is - it would appear on the surface that they are absolutely correct...in fact...this is about as unconstitutional as you can get and goes against the very fabric of our country.
(Hearing only one side of the story that is)

agree 100% it can be the greatest cause in the world regardless .. church and state cant mix.
Wish we knew the details of what they hide.
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Did you read the post? What is "liberal" about protecting the rights of an anti-gay right-wing christian protester?
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Liberalism is all about protecting rights...
What he said.
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Re: Louisiana sued for giving taxpayer money to churches

I think if most people look at everything the ACLU does rather than the controversial things that get all of the attention they would be shocked as to how many cases they take that are actually pretty popular in their stances. We just do not hear about them because they do not fetch the ratings and attract the anger.
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