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Only if you think it is.

I know plenty of liberals who are proud to be liberals, and aren't bothered by the word "libs" at all. And then there are those who are bothered by it because they know that libs are bad...


I didn't say that "liberal" wasn't something to be proud of. "Lib" is used as a dig, just like "Democrat party."
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Re: Supreme Court upholds photo ID law for voters in Indiana

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I didn't say that "liberal" wasn't something to be proud of.
Huh... I didn't say it either.

I said I knew liberals who are proud to be liberals, and aren't bothered by the word "libs".

But I would never say that it's something to be proud of...
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A sound supreme court ruling all the way around.

Unless of course you wish to commit election fraud, like the dems have for years.
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Only if you think it is.

I know plenty of liberals who are proud to be liberals, and aren't bothered by the word "libs" at all. And then there are those who are bothered by it because they know that libs are bad...
Hah...kinda like how we knew that one guy in our berthing (in the Navy) was a thief. Hadn't caught him red-handed up to that point, but the situation was clear.

He actually complained to the BMC about people in the division using the word "thief" and "crook" all the time. I.E. "I hope they catch the thief and throw him in Leavenworth." and whatnot - not even directed at him.

It seems he attached some guilt to the very word. I guess he really wasn't proud to be a crook. Imagine that.

(Once somebody did catch him near an unlocked rack - one that was secured before, it was enough to get the MAA to search his stuff. Found a flashlight with rolls of cash filling it instead of D-batteries. Buh-bye. This is why I wrote checks for candy bars and never had more than a few rolls of quarters for the soda machines in cash.)
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"Lib" is a perjorative, used to indicate disrespect.

When you use the phrase "the libs...." and then set off on some bogus generalization, you're only going to get two reactions: 1) the usual right-wing circle jerk where the usual suspects tell each other how right the characterization of those evil libs is. 2) frustration from those who would rather have a reasonable conversation.

Get it now?
thank you mr. word police, no I don't get it, when someone says con I don't start having a cow....especially regarding verbiage on a forum etc. where in one tends shortens words all the time......unless one is looking for an afront..

I actually read the content and see if, he she may have a point, before I go blasting off.
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thank you mr. word police, no I don't get it, when someone says con I don't start having a cow....especially regarding verbiage on a forum etc. where in one tends shortens words all the time......unless one is looking for an afront..

I actually read the content and see if, he she may have a point, before I go blasting off.
Maybe it is similar to how most white people don't mind any number of racists terms being thrown their way. Seriously, none of them has ever gained any real "traction". I laugh at "cracker", "honkey", and whatnot, and I suspect most whiteys do.

Whereas most "minorities" are deeply affected by the use of such terms (unless they use them pointed at themselves and each other, it seems).

According to them, as I have heard several times, the reason behind this is whitey's the "majority" and still has "the power" and has not been a "victim".

True that, but throw in a dash of inferiority complex and self-loathing on their part, and there you have it. Therein is the parallel.
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And the circle jerk begins, just as predicted...
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Maybe it is similar to how most white people don't mind any number of racists terms being thrown their way. Seriously, none of them has ever gained any real "traction". I laugh at "cracker", "honkey", and whatnot, and I suspect most whiteys do.

Whereas most "minorities" are deeply affected by the use of such terms (unless they use them pointed at themselves and each other, it seems).

According to them, as I have heard several times, the reason behind this is whitey's the "majority" and still has "the power" and has not been a "victim".

True that, but throw in a dash of inferiority complex and self-loathing on their part, and there you have it. Therein is the parallel.
You betcha…..and the narcissism, don’t forget that, they occupy the moral high ground each day and every day, denying debate by going off on self constructed "hurts"and they know best, as they know the word niggardly must be STAMPED OUT!!!!!!!!! And they hath smite it with a mighty blow, as the lib. thought/speech police, not that they want anyone to actually consult a dictionary and learn what the word means and educate themselves, they need to fight for those who wish to remain stupid, its easier to become some hothouse PC police “person”, and scream at the horror of it all, while doing whats necessary to dumb down the next batch of donors to move.on or kos…in short, keep’em stupid and wanting more stuff.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds photo ID law for voters in Indiana

RFID tagging of all citizens at birth would eliminate any potential for fraud, be less expensive, and serve many other usful functions as well.
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RFID tagging of all citizens at birth would eliminate any potential for fraud, be less expensive, and serve many other usful functions as well.
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That would be just fine as long as the government promised to use the device responsibly and as intended, only.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds photo ID law for voters in Indiana

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I wonder what this ruling will do to DHS efforts in establishing a national ID in the form of a uniform driver licenses program in a national database? While DHS was using the clout of threatening to withhold federal payments to states not in compliance, over a dozen states have engaged in legislation to stop the DHS effort, which has been put on hold until resolved by the courts. Maybe if O'Sullivan notices this thread he can opine on how far the SCOTUS ruling might go with regard to states rights in DHS ID requirement.
My guess is that they would follow precedent. Any effort to affirmatively mandate the use of such an ID would be struck down, however, the court has long upheld the use of negative coercion on the part of the Federal Government in getting states to voluntarily comply with Federal policy in areas where it cannot directly legislate.

For example, it was upheld that the withholding of Federal Highway funds for states which didn't recognize the national speedlimit was not unconsitutional. Withholding of that to which someone is not entitled is not a violation of state's rights, but merely the sort of bargaining and prioritization between competing state and national interests envisioned by the founders.

But this case has NO relevance to that issue, this is simply the court recognizing that there is nothing in the constitution or federal law proscribing this relatively modest ID requirement.

And even if this were seen as a significant hinderance to the "right" to vote, I am curious how liberal justices reconcille obliterating our first amendment rights under the banner of avoiding the APPEARANCE of corruption with this ruling, wouldn't the same apply here?
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