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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
The historical evidence indicates that the object was a declaration by the people, or at least most of the people, of their trust in God.
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I find it appalling that Justice Antonin Scala, in his dissenting opinion in McCreary County v. ACLU, constructed his model of "the relationship between church and state" in America without even considering the actual text of the Constitution. How do incompetents like him get on the U. S. Supreme Court? |
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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
I was being sarcastic...
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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
I just read the transcript of the floor debate, and the Senators were talking about the foundation of freedom being "trust in God and a people under His guidance." The whole argument was in the context of God liberating us and separating us from the Communists.
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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
In that case its clearly an individuals perception based on a true desire to be better. I think the people settling this country saw more promise for a better life than what they left, faith in a better life is a strong motivator to strive for the best, without it we blindly pursue something no one can seem to define.
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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
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I have already TOLD you what the common law ruls of construction were, you are just too friggin ignorant to accept it. You asserted: "They meant for us to use the common law rules of construction to ascertain the meaning of the Constitution." I merely asked you to meet the same standard of proof of your assertion that you have been demanding of others. Show us EXACTLY where the founders said that.
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What does this mean? I'm not sure whether I understand whether you mean religious "faith in a better life" or, just faith that life will be better in the future.
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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
This I agree with. Dictating that we should put our trust in god is quite totalitarian.
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I think that's what they do for the most part. The rules of construction however encompass many different methods of interpretation, and which rule of interpretation should be used is a large part of the debates that go on between justices within Supreme Court opinions. For the most part, there is basic consensus as to the outline of the method of statutory or even constitutional interpreatation, but most of the debate is how one specific word should be interpreted given the Court's precedent. Sometimes there are discrepancies that make Scalia get his panties in a bunch and act like a 4 year old. I do appreciate some of his interpretations (like his opinions on the protections offered by the Fourth Amendment), however he doesn't follow his own rules in many instances anyway. For example, in the wetlands case in the 2005 term, instead of following the rules of construction to interpret the word "wetlands" in an administrative opinion, or the definition used by the Army Corps of Engineers for 50 years, Scalia decided to use a definition provided in the 1943 edition of Merriam Webster's English Dictionary.
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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
Where can I get the transcript?
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I find it appalling that Justice Antonin Scala, in his dissenting opinion in McCreary County v. ACLU, constructed his model of "the relationship between church and state" in America without even considering the actual text of the Constitution. How do incompetents like him get on the U. S. Supreme Court? |
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When I'm talking about the "well established universally accepted common law rules of construction as they prevailed in the late 1780's" I am referring to those presented starting on Page 59 of the Introduction to Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, published in the 1750's, or thereabouts. Blackstone's Commentaries - Introduction
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I find it appalling that Justice Antonin Scala, in his dissenting opinion in McCreary County v. ACLU, constructed his model of "the relationship between church and state" in America without even considering the actual text of the Constitution. How do incompetents like him get on the U. S. Supreme Court? Last edited by Mick Jagger; 06-17-2008 at 04:59 PM. |
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I'm well informed on the methods used by the Justices in cases having to do with separation of church and state. In my humble view, all of them make the mistake of trying to gather the meaning of the Constitution, as pertains to the relationship of government to religion, from an analysis of historical events. Quote:
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Re: First Amendment mandates governmental neutrality between religion and nonreligion
I just looked up "in god we trust" on google, and searched through the various links. I believe the page I found with links to transcripts is actually linked at the bottom of the Wikipedia page.
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