I think I have explained my reasoning/view and how I got there, but thanx for the thoughtful response.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Ethnic identification is not necessarily a reasoned process.

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hi folks, this is the third thread on this, we have rolled up the other 2, please check the forum for your topics, before starting a thread etc....thx.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

I agree, thats why I explained myself.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

I did, but I only checked Breaking News before I posted. That seemed the logical place. Perhaps this should be moved there?

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

I actually just looked this up, because its an interesting topic, race vs ethnicity vs culture. To apply it to this nominee, what makes her hispanic and why does it matter? Her parents came from Peurto Rico, that would make her Hispanic on the face of it, but does she actually have some cultural attachment to being hispanic? And does that matter to being a SC judge?

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

Sounds good to me. Yeah, I expect perfunctory complaints from the sore losers/moonbats, but it's not going to matter. I'm waiting for the next appointment, or 2!

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She's an excellent pick.

The GOP is tainted by a cancer of indignation and dislike for practically everything, so they'll conveniently overlook the fact that her only ruling on abortion upholds the Bush admin's "Mexico City Policy" that states that foreign organizations that receive public funds can not use them to perform or encourage abortion. I disagree with her position on that one, but I can respect it.

Her "Pappas v. Giuliani" decision was courageous and logical, and you really can't argue that she took the "liberal" position on that one either.

She's considered a centrist in like 10 publications and associations.

Orrin Hatch and other Republicans voted 67-29 in her confirmation in 1998, so it should be a breeze for her, although since the right is filled with people who have been ready to "Just Say No!" weeks ago despite not even knowing who the choice was, she'll be lucky to crack 70-75 votes when 20 or so years ago this kind of nominee would have won at least 85-90 votes.

Good pick overall, and she really came off both educated and with a common touch in her little speech today.

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I think she will be confirmed, the GOP will oppose her, but only token opposition, why would they waste what little political capital they have on something like this where they don't have any leverage.
They can't filibuster, they can't tie her up in committee, and they can't win a floor vote.
What they can do is further alienate the hispanic community, because they will be the ones that saying "sure a Latina can graduate Summa Cum Laude, attend the best law schools in the country, sit on the bench as a trial judge, as an appeals judge, spend more time on the bench than any current Supreme Court Justice spent before being selected, but if she thinks her perspective as a Latina has a place on the Supreme Court, we say NO!"

The very things they will hold up as "controversy", are things that will drive women and Latinos further into the Democratic fold, and their only appeal will be limited to the shrinking Republican base.

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yes not like the party of no ala alito and roberts...but wait, left right, right wrong, got it....

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

I would be interested in her backstory as an example of how someone can be poor and yet end up a Supreme Court justice. We keep being told by the liberals how everyone succesful is born into it, yet we now have a President and Supreme Court nominee who were born poor. Did they succeed because the govt gave it to them, or because they earned it?

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

In my opinion, this is the only bearing her race plays at all in this issue. Ethnicity and race are largely social constructs, in my opinion, anyway, so the only thing I really care about with regard to her ethnicity is how her proponents and opponents choose to maneuver her confirmation politically. Like Goober says, many hispanics will undoubtedly wonder how so many conservatives could oppose a woman with her credentials. That being said, Democrats are largely responsible for any fights put up against their Supreme Court nominees. Republicans have almost always been of the mindset, "To the winner goes the spoils." Democrats fought Roberts. They fought Alito. Now, their chickens are likely going to come home to roost.

BTW, what's the over/under on how long it takes Rush to (#1) ignore her qualifications and declare this pick was about nothing more than race, and (#2) complain that every conservative that opposes her is going to be labeled a racist?

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uh huh, maybe you ought to take a stroll through past nominations goober, if there is one subject on which dems have no credible standing its this one. But hey lets not let reality get in the way.



don't make me laugh goober ever hear of Miguel Estrada?

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

unabashadly so. 3 of her 4 cases ultimately reviewed by the SCOTUS were found to be lacking in simple interpretation of law.

compelling story but she's a shitty judge.

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Oh, really?

Please provide absolutely any kind of evidence that any liberal has ever said that everyone successful is born into it.

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