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I would be interested in her backstory as an example of how someone can be poor and yet end up a Supreme Court justice. We keep being told by the liberals how everyone succesful is born into it, yet we now have a President and Supreme Court nominee who were born poor. Did they succeed because the govt gave it to them, or because they earned it?
Of course, the country is a racially charged one where in if you are not as some here have classified; fat rich and white ( ala rep.) you don’t get anywhere….which shows you just how hollow all that crap is. They have no idea they have fallen into parody when they spout this shit.
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re: Sotomayor chosen as SC nominee (academic discussion)

This probably won't help conservatives, either.

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President Obama’s nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor shows that empathy has won out over excellence in the White House. Sotomayor has sterling credentials: Princeton, Yale Law School, former prosecutor, and federal trial and appellate judge. But credentials do not an excellent justice make. Justice Souter, whom Sotomayor would replace, had an equally fine c.v., but turned out to be a weak force on the high court.

Obama had some truly outstanding legal intellectuals and judges to choose from—Cass Sunstein, Elena Kagan, and Diane Wood come immediately to mind. The White House chose a judge distinguished from the other members of that list only by her race. Obama may say he wants to put someone on the Court with a rags-to-riches background, but locking in the political support of Hispanics must sit higher in his priorities.

Sotomayor’s record on the bench, at first glance, appears undistinguished. She will not bring to the table the firepower that many liberal academics are asking for. There are no opinions that suggest she would change the direction of constitutional law as have Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, or Robert Bork and Richard Posner on the appeals courts. Liberals have missed their chance to put on the Court an intellectual leader who will bring about a progressive revolution in the law.

But conservatives should not be pleased simply because Sotomayor is not a threat to the conservative revolution in constitutional law begun under the Reagan administration. Conservatives should defend the Supreme Court as a place where cases are decided by a faithful application of the Constitution, not personal politics, backgrounds, and feelings. Republican senators will have to conduct thorough questioning in the confirmation hearings to make sure that she will not be a results-oriented voter, voting her emotions and politics rather than the law. One worrying sign is Sotomayor’s vote to uphold the affirmative action program in New Haven, CT, where the city threw out a written test for firefighter promotions when it did not pass the right number of blacks and Hispanics. Senators should ask her whether her vote in that case, which is under challenge right now in the Supreme Court (where I signed an amicus brief for the Claremont Center on Constitutional Jurisprudence), was the product of her “empathy” rather than the correct reading of the Constitution.

John Yoo: Empathy Triumphs Over Excellence
Also, what is Yoo talking about with regard to changing "the direction of constitutional law as have Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas" and "the conservative revolution in constitutional law begun under the Reagan administration?" Do conservatively-based constitutional revolutions not constitute judicial activism?
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what 'help' do you think they are looking for rfk? They aren't going to fillibuster and shouldn't.
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Oh, really?

Please provide absolutely any kind of evidence that any liberal has ever said that everyone successful is born into it.
come on rfk he was employing hyperbole and we both know what he means....
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yes not like the party of no ala alito and roberts...but wait, left right, right wrong, got it....
What are you whining about?

John Roberts got confirmed 78-22, with well over half of the Dems going with that one.

Alito only got 58-42, but that's because he was a righty replacing a lefty, and he wasn't seen as even a centre-right pick.

Sotomayor isn't just a token left pick. Read her decisions on Pappas v. Giuliani or her pro-life position on the "Mexico City Policy".

You have no idea what you're even whining about.
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What are you whining about?

John Roberts got confirmed 78-22, with well over half of the Dems going with that one.

Alito only got 58-42, but that's because he was a righty replacing a lefty, and he wasn't seen as even a centre-right pick.

Sotomayor isn't just a token left pick. Read her decisions on Pappas v. Giuliani or her pro-life position on the "Mexico City Policy".

You have no idea what you're even whining about.

Your are as ignorant of judicial nomination history as you are the definition of the term whining but, blather away, I won't help you. Go do your own study.
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come on rfk he was employing hyperbole and we both know what he means....
Maybe. But he's making absurd generalizations based on a few individuals. If I grab a couple of blue collar minorities with high IQs that have worked their asses of their entire lives and have virtually nothing to show for it, I'd be a moron if I tried to suggest that this is somehow indicative of a flaw in conservative thinking.
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uh huh, maybe you ought to take a stroll through past nominations goober, if there is one subject on which dems have no credible standing its this one. But hey lets not let reality get in the way.
I'm betting they already checked her tax returns, and made sure she paid the withholding on her housekeeper(I'll bet they already checked her gardener's immigration status, too)..............
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don't make me laugh goober ever hear of Miguel Estrada?
Miguel Estrada, let me see, I love trivia questions.........

One thing this nomination will not be is trivia, it will be front page, lead story, in constant rotation, especially in the hispanic press. Politically, this will be remembered in 2010, while the fight over a circuit court judge in 2001, will be "bonus points" on the political trivia scene.

But hey, I'll take the votes we get with this one gladly in exchange for the votes you guys get over Miguel Estrada.
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what 'help' do you think they are looking for rfk? They aren't going to fillibuster and shouldn't.
They are almost undoubtedly looking for legitimate reasons to oppose this nomination. While I'm sure there are many out there, I'm not sure John Yoo, almost inarguably disgraced in the legal community, is someone they want on their side.
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Your are as ignorant of judicial nomination history as you are the definition of the term whining but, blather away, I won't help you. Go do your own study.
You're still clearly whining, since I have just brought up the last two nominations and two of her decisions, and all you're bringing is attacks on me.

How original. But when you don't have a point, attacks are all that's left I guess.
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I'm betting they already checked her tax returns, and made sure she paid the withholding on her housekeeper(I'll bet they already checked her gardener's immigration status, too)..............


Miguel Estrada, let me see, I love trivia questions.........

One thing this nomination will not be is trivia, it will be front page, lead story, in constant rotation, especially in the hispanic press. Politically, this will be remembered in 2010, while the fight over a circuit court judge in 2001, will be "bonus points" on the political trivia scene.

But hey, I'll take the votes we get with this one gladly in exchange for the votes you guys get over Miguel Estrada.

about what I would expect form someone whom has not an objective bone in his body....thx for memories...
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You're still clearly whining, since I have just brought up the last two nominations and two of her decisions, and all you're bringing is attacks on me.

How original. But when you don't have a point, attacks are all that's left I guess.
dude by a clue and a few vowels....
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They are almost undoubtedly looking for legitimate reasons to oppose this nomination. While I'm sure there are many out there, I'm not sure John Yoo, almost inarguably disgraced in the legal community, is someone they want on their side.

yea well it will come down to ideological grounds since we are locked in a tit for tat lefty for lefty righty for righty, as to litmus tests etc. which I think are bullshit…….just wait till Kennedy retires, that nomination and process will be gruesome and by pass all before it as to contentiousness and personal destruction. What a joke.
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yea well it will come down to ideological grounds since we are locked in a tit for tat lefty for lefty righty for righty, as to litmus tests etc. which I think are bullshit…….just wait till Kennedy retires, that nomination and process will be gruesome and by pass all before it as to contentiousness and personal destruction. What a joke.
If the big litmus test on the right is abortion, than they must vote for her since she went with the Bush admin's pro-life position on the use of public funds to foreign organizations.
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yea well it will come down to ideological grounds since we are locked in a tit for tat lefty for lefty righty for righty, as to litmus tests etc. which I think are bullshit…….just wait till Kennedy retires, that nomination and process will be gruesome and by pass all before it as to contentiousness and personal destruction. What a joke.
If that doesn't happen until 2011, do you think all 29 Republican Senators will oppose the confirmation of Obama's nominee?
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